14 responses

  1. T. Michael Haney
    November 23, 2013

    So, you are the bearer of the “the truth?” Well, let’s see: 1st you say. “this is despite the investigative activity into Protandim, LV’s main product, by LazyManAndMoney and others…!” To use “Lazyman” and “investigative activity” in the same sentence is disingenuous and wrong.Nothing of what he says trumps 29 major university studies, 15 peer reviewed studies at http://www.pubmed.gov and the real life benefits gained by Protandim users including me and my family. Then you say: Well. Most of what I have seen about LV fits into…” malfeasance? You, who are a common blogger with just opinions, unable to provide facts and proof to back up your statements know nothing about growing a publicly held (NASDAQ) company from $12 mil to $208 mil in four years. 2nd fastest growing company in the industry according to the DSA and 61st in the world. You are just another bad news broadcaster with a hidden agenda much like Brian McFarland who is himself the object of a lawsuit.
    http: // www . youtube .com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IgAq6RJBo8M
    Get your facts straight.

  2. Strangely
    November 25, 2013

    Mr Haney.  Firstly, thanks for pointing out that my contact form was fucked up (I saw your FB posting on it).  It’s now fixed.  Also, sorry for the delay in moderating – I’ve been away from my machines.


    Secondly, the truth is how you see it.  I’ve just reported the state of play vis-a-vis LV & Domingo, with my general opinions.  As I said, my hunch is that they’ll kiss and make up, much as Myhill & LV did.  If I’m wrong, the subset of humanity that actually cares will be small.  The LV word games will continue much as they’ve done in the past.
    I don’t have a hidden agenda – it’s all here in plain sight. Whether it is “bad” news as you seem to think, is up to the reader to decide, obviously.


    Thirdly, on the subject of facts.  Your LinkedIn page reveals you to have been a LV distributor for less than a year.  Your “summary” also cleverly states,

    At present, we train and team with others as among the 1st to take a natural food product with 5 patents, being proven by over 28 universities in the area of combating disease and free radical damage to the world.

    I’m assuming that this is Protandim you’re talking about.  You should know that the protandim studies were flawed, with a mix of:

    • conflicts of interest of the management and financial teams in the studies, i.e. very dodgy peer reviewing,
    • lack of control,
    • low sample sizes
    • in vitro studies
    • massive doses to mice
    • general scientific dissatisfaction with the promoted core concepts (e.g. some oxidants are bad, therefore all oxidants are bad and all anti-oxidants are good; tBars is a good measure – many disagree)

    Mandy Rice-DaviesIn fact, the only decent study, in humans, proved Protandim to be worse than a placebo!  This is all methodically documented on LazyMan’s website, which you, as a Lifevantage distributor are naturally so very keen to dis.  Well you would, wouldn’t you?

    • On top of this, even the whole free-radical concept and cell ageing isn’t certain.

    In some model organisms, such as yeast and Drosophila, there is evidence that reducing oxidative damage can extend lifespan.[7] In mice, interventions that enhance oxidative damage generally shorten lifespan.[8] However, in roundworms (Caenorhabditis elegans), blocking the production of the naturally occurring antioxidant superoxide dismutase has recently been shown to increase lifespan.[9] Whether reducing oxidative damage below normal levels is sufficient to extend lifespan remains an open and controversial question.

    – see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-radical_theory_of_aging

    With the above in mind, you should be very careful when blindly stating:

    “proven by over 28 universities in the area of combating disease and free radical damage to the world”

    ..because it hasn’t been proven!  To date, a placebo works better than Protandim.

    If you’re not talking about Protandim since cleverly, you don’t actually state it though you do state that you’re a LV distributor , then the above is just words.


    Fourthly.  Rapid growth of a business does not make it good.  It just means that it has grown fast.  That’s all.  Herbalife and Enron grew fast.  So do housing bubbles.  So does cancer.  None of them are good.

  3. Bob Bertling
    January 31, 2014

    I wonder why LAZY MAN is able to report on the World WW what is said W/O being sued if not true about a PUBLIC a company.

    In addition just why is the stock in the toilet, where is a clinical scientist to P/U where J. McCord left LFVN hanging.

    I am only 70 y o , Not my first party, but I see the Dirs. lining their pockets at the cost of the Reps Hipe, BEFORE THE CRASH !!!!!

  4. issac
    February 11, 2014

    You don’t really know what’s going on do you? The company bought $5,000,000 of their stock back and invested $30,000,000 in Salt Lake Real Soccer team. Call me if you have any questions 301 337 7508, IBA

    • Strangely
      February 12, 2014

      Cheers @Isaac for that insight.  Unfortunately, you’ll need to supply more information to join the dots up for me.  This post is about the legal proceedings twixt Jason Domingo and Lifevantage.  If LV wish to run football teams instead of flogging a patented herb and spice mix then that pleases me.  If they choose to do both, then it’s still SNAFU.

  5. Surya
    March 24, 2014

    Where would we be without criticism? I for one applaud this website and others that go to considerable distance to report on companies with a history of running scams, MLM or not. I myself was quite taken by all the “proof” of how bad the company LifeVantage is and how phony the product Protandim is. I’m sure if we critiqued most other companiess, MLM or not, the way we’re attacking this one, you’ll come out with just as many skeletons and foul play if not more. Not everyone is a publically traded company sharing their private details with the world. I’ll give LifeVantage a little credit for the sometimes uncomfortable chore of transparency. After chaining myself to hours and hours then days and days of grueling research I’ve come to this conclusion.

    1. LifeVantage exaggerates at least some of their marketing.
    2. LifeVantage needs more human clinical studies to substantiate some of their product claims.
    3. The Nrf2 science that their products hinge on is a rapidly growing field of study with currently over 4,000 research abstracts and growing steadily. Nrf2 is what sparked my attention the most.

    So I went digging down this Nrf2 rabbit hole some more. I found a new drug, recently approved March 2013 by the FDA and made by Biogen. It’s called “Tecfidera” (dimethyl fumarate). It has A LOT of human clinical studies. It had to for FDA approval. Claims to help relapsing sufferers of multiple sclerosis. Guess what…it acts on the same Nrf2 pathways that Protandim claims to “activate”. If you’re a research nut, have fun cause there’s so much around this one drug and Nrf2 you’re gonna overdose! LOL. Never mind all the other research being done around Nrf2.

    That’s the just the tip of the iceberg. Don’t believe me? Check out this one article link by Forbes.com

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2013/03/29/biogen-reveals-pricing-for-new-ms-drug-tecfidera/

    Now look at the pricing for that drug. $54,900 PER YEAR PER PATIENT! A big pharma like Biogen spent some big money for this thing and they aren’t selling it cheap. Someone with a deep pocket not only saw the value of Nrf2 science, they funded a whole project to come up with a pill to help MS patients. Enough human clinical studies to drown in, some still on going for finding out more about its side effects, etc.

    Put all the other crap being said about Protandim aside and focus for a moment on its possible connection to Nrf2. I found 16 research abstracts that mention Protandim. Of those only ONE was a human clinical trial and like a lot of the criticism says, was a fairly small group.

    Here’s a link to that trial’s research abstract as published in PubMed:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16413416

    The other human clinical trial, as the scam busters report, failed to conclude Protandim was any more effective than placebo.

    Here’s a link to the failed research abstract on PubMed:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22268125

    Ok so not enough human clinical trials agreed. Meanwhile LifeVantage parades around claiming that Protandim will help with aging and a host of other diseases and ailments.

    Of the 16 studies published having used Protandim in their research, two of them are human clinical, the rest are animal/human cell in vivo or ex vivo. Of those 14 studies, 13 of them relate the induction of Nrf2 signaling pathways with Protandim.

    Now we move to the so what? We induced Nrf2 in animal and human cells. That’s not proof of anything. I agree and certainly not enough to go on saying that it will help us fight the battles of aging. However, we must pay attention here. Those 13 studies were with research organizations, some of them completely independent of LifeVantage in terms of funding and their then chief science officer Dr. Joe McCord. Other institutions are studying Nrf2 science in combination with Protandim. What about just Nrf2 science without the use of Protandim? That’s where the 4,000 plus research abstracts come into play. 89 of them with studies involving phytochemicals (another word for Protandim’s herbal ingredients).

    So what I’m saying here? don’t get too lost on attacking Protandim and LifeVantage. There is without a doubt something significant about this Nrf2 science. It needs to be evaluated more closely and more openly. The induction of cell nucleus gene expression from things that we eat is an amazing field of study in itself. It deserves attention. Don’t miss out! Whether it’s Protandim or some other supplement or drug, someone is gonna hit it on the head and it’s going to be huge. Ticfedra has already launched Biogen’s stock price LOL.

    Thank you Strangely Perfect for providing this free and open forum to discuss new ideas and scrutinize existing ones. May the greater picture reveal itself to us someday and may we all marvel at it’s glory.

  6. Strangely
    March 27, 2014

    @Surya – I’m not “lost on attacking Protandim and LifeVantage” – there are many devilish functions in the world and this is just one.  Until LV change their ways I’ll continue to be an anti-LV outlet and information point.

    I’m not certain what you’re getting at, overall.  You seem to be plugging a mould inhibitor with highly allergic skin reactivity, i.e. Tecfidera  see here.  Because of this and other issues it’s totally banned in Europe, at least in furniture etc.  NICE has also decided not to use it medically for people with MS, as you’re suggesting the US has allowed.

    For the pubmed links you’ve provided about McCord on Protandim – this is all fully documented here on Lazyman’s consumer-focussed website (say) and doesn’t need repeating here.  There were about a dozen in total, most having financial collusion between the experimenter, the subjects and the financial backers of the product.  They were mostly in vitro and the only reasonably performed experiment fared worse than placebo as you’ve said.  Nrf2?

    You also seem to think Nrf2 stuff is a sort of wonder panacea?  Just add Nrf2 to the things I don’t care a toss about.  For me it is irrelevant.

    The relevance of my talking here on this topic is the continuing shadiness around LV that hurts ordinary people in desperate situations.  For me, this is not a forum to wonder aloud about what the next wonder drug is and how its stock price is faring.  I don’t care.  You can continue all you like, with whoever you like, but if I find it’s turning into a promo show for charlatans, I’ll pull the plug.

    I also talk about other things on my blog here.  I do what takes my fancy.  It’s my blog.  This is sort-of described here.

     

    • lisa
      April 29, 2014

      awesomely put

  7. Steve F
    July 26, 2014

    The fact that you would reference Brian MacFarland aka “LazyMan” is all I need to know to exit your blog. He pulled the same “SCAM” on MonaVie. He like you makes money from affiliate marketing thereby you nor him qualify as objective. Surya makes valid points on both sides of the argument and positions himself as a much more credible source than yourself.

    • Strangely
      July 28, 2014

      That’s funny @Steve F. And untrue.

      • I make money from advertising, not affiliate marketing – there’s a difference. It help my hosting costs, that’s all.
      • @Surya seemed to come here to plug a banned substance – and you condone this? WTF are you on matey?
      • @Surya also came to diminish the plain facts that LV is selling snake oil. I won’t have this. You, trolling the web-waves, condone this.
      • @Surya did not have valid points for both sides of the argument you devious plonk – Instead, he waffled on about the merits of nrf2 and other stuff (banned in Europe, remember) and how the business model might have flaws. There’s no “might” about it – it is hugely flawed and has all the traits of a pyramid scheme.
      • @Surya did not discuss the flawed science presented on PubMed (where anyone in the world can post anything, remember). The poxy experiments using LV investors (financial collusion) or the one semi-decent bit of science where it performed worse than placebo. You seem happy to accept this bullshit – I wonder why?
      • Lazyman has put a lot of work into exposing the LV shysters for what they are – attacking the man and not the product of his work shows the low level of your comment. It is piss-poor. Trolling ad hominem attacks of the slimiest kind.
      • Since you’re comfortable with a business model where the real way to get rich is by multiplying distributors and not by selling product, and since you’re comfortable with flawed science being used as dubious proof for unvalidated claims by distributors (cures cancer, MS, kidney disease, glaucoma, heart disease and more – you can fuck right off with your foggy commentary.

      @Steve F – you are the weakest link. Goodbye.
      http://youtu.be/FI6gZxLnwdw
      I’m glad you’ve fucked off and are not returning, but in case you didn’t get the message – just fuck off and do the walk of shame.

  8. Luz Malaret
    July 31, 2014

    Let’s face the fact that, even though you understand that this company might have use some questionable marketing strategies or give wrong information to the general public, and moreover, the sales representatives may not be precisely well paid, the fact is that you are talking about a real break through in the healing field.
    I get to know about protandim when I ask for a neighbor that was extremely sick, and after being seeing him bed recruited for a long time, there he was, in front of me, enjoying a beautiful day at the beach. Several weeks before he was sent back home to die, the doctors didn’t have any other treatment to help him. His wife called the family and did the funeral arrangements, as the doctors recommended. The same week she received information about protandim and he started treatment. Several weeks later he was on foot, and extraordinarily recovered.
    A couple of weeks after this encounter, my father was diagnosed a cancer metastasis. The doctor told us that he was so bad that we should not put him into chemotherapy or radiotherapy, he said that would probably extend his life for two more months, but at which price? So I remembered my neighbor and looked for the Protandim in the Internet. Fortunately for me, there was a friend who knew a guy that was selling Protandim and she brought me the pills. My father started the pills and the health improvements started very soon. My father started eating by himself, walking, with a walking device, but walking, and he was no longer talking nonsense, he was in control of his mind again. He was diagnosed, among a lot other things, Parkingson, and the uncontrolled movements of his hands are totally gone by now (two months ago). Sugar is controlled, it was terribly distorted those days. And he continue improving each day.
    My point is, I don’t know if there is anything that LifeVantage should regret, but neither would this be important to me. What is really important is that I have been seeing many people around me getting well from different disorders, which means that Protandim indeed work, as it is being discussed in many forums. People these days need hope, and this type of information, again, true or false in not the issue, is just killing those hopes. This is my humble opinion, I may not be an expert in anything, but my heart experienced the blessing of a dearest one healing and I understand that you can not judge the content of a great book based just on the cover. I wish you great success in your life.

    • Strangely
      July 31, 2014

      Unless the supplied email address is spoofed, @Luz Malaret is in Life Insurance in Puerto Rico and is also into Reiki (a hand-on “healing therapy”) plus almost every “alternative” thing on the planet. It’s like being in Glastonbury all over again.
      She gave none of her background and just spurted out un-corroborated evidence. To help others decide what Luz is on, this is Luz:

      This last one is translated from Spanish as follows (sorry for any errors):

      Courses, Seminars & Therapies
      Therapies:

      Reiki
      Adamantine system
      massages
      crystal healing
      reflexology
      Pranic Healing
      Short Courses, Lectures, Workshops and Seminars
      Reiki
      Adamantine system
      numerology
      chromotherapy
      DAO – TAO
      aromatherapy
      crystal healing
      reflexology
      Tarot
      Angels
      Reflected with the Angels
      Reiki for Animals
      Buddhism in everyday life
      Meditation

      Among Others ….

      Strangely, no mention is made for selling snake oil to gullible people.


      Now before Luz gets upset, she may want to refer to the terms and conditions of this website, where I say:

      I accept your existence at face value, although I don’t record proper physical addresses and you don’t have to prove your existence is real. When registering, all you have to do is prove that the email address you supply is real at one moment in time by a confirmation email. When commenting, you can use any email address you like to comment, which means it may not be valid. So, like national governments, I reserve the right to temporarily relax this privacy policy at times of emergency.

      I also reserve the right to edit, amend or exclude anything from the site on my whim. Normally, this would be things like frivolous or nasty comment, especially in the context of forged email or IP addresses… But who can tell the future? Things change.
      – See more at: http://strangelyperfect.tv/about/privacy-policy/

      Q. Should I address @Luiz’s drivel?
      A. Yes.
      Q. Do you need to see my reply?
      A. Only you can be the judge of that…


      1. First off, @Luz did not mention that she’s a Lifevantage distributor as she’s required to do under LV’s T&Cs. I can help though! It’s slipped her mind. Fortunately, LV distros need to make money so she handily has a pointer from her FB page which means this is her: http://www.mylifevantage.com/luzmalaret/ In fact, @Luz was positively deceitful since she said the protocrap came from someone else! She said,

        So I remembered my neighbor and looked for the Protandim in the Internet. Fortunately for me, there was a friend who knew a guy that was selling Protandim and she brought me the pills.

        Q. How bad actually do I rate that?
        A. Ab-so-fucking-lute-ly bad, that how bad.

      2. There is no

        “real break through in the healing field”

        as she says. In fact, most studies have either financial collusion from the subjects and/or piss-poor science on a miniscule dataset. One was quite well done and Protandim fared worse than placebo!

      3. Uncorroborated statements about recovery from near-death and cancer are just plain bogus. Prove it missy! It’s actually illegal to make the claims you have…. n.b. The Protandim page at LV says at the bottom

        “This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease”

        http://www.lifevantage.com/products/protandim/

      4. For your above proof of protandim, are you sure that was it? Why not chatting to angels? Your collection of loon remedies is enormous. It could have been anything. Maybe even the power of positive thinking? Maybe these people don’t actually exist? How can we tell?
      5. You said

        “My point is, I don’t know if there is anything that LifeVantage should regret, but neither would this be important to me.”

        – Lifevantage has all the hallmarks of a pyramid scheme. It has flawed science as proof. It has has top distributors hopping from one snake oil scam to another and even been sued for “stealing” distributors and their downlines – http://archive.sltrib.com/printfriendly.php?id=14059464&itype=NGPSID . It has a unique synergy that is supposed to make it work – yet in Japan they have to have another unique synergistic blend – total bollocks around the word unique, eh? The emphasis at meetings and in much of the LV literature is that the way to make money is to recruit, recruit, recruit. If this isn’t important to you, you’re a shit

      6. Hope.

        ….Now there’s a thing. There’s a huge amount of hopeful people around who have been conned out of their money on this protandumb scam. A huge amount. The mathematics of pyramid selling make this so. You and your ilk are selling hope through this faux MLM activity. You yourself are also selling hope with all the myriad of dubious therapies you sell. What other ones are you involved in? How long before you hop onto the next bandwagon?

      Finally, @Luz, why on earth would you come to a post about a Lifevantage distributor getting sued by Lifevantage and spout statements with no proof? Why? Are you mad? It is totally off-topic and I’d normally ditch a comment like yours because of it.
      Instead I’ve gone with it.

      Maybe it’s because I’m a Buddhist and you somehow thought that I’d like you because you do Buddhisty sort-of stuff? If you did, you are dead wrong. Buddhism is care and your collection of dubious healing therapies look like the actions of someone scraping money together by using anything they can, even giving people false hope. Dream catcher – bollocks.

      My advice to you is stick to life insurance. Drop the MLM snake oils. Drop the faux new age bollocks. It doesn’t matter now nicey-nicey in your heart you think you are. It’s actions that count and one of yours is a downright lie. Buddhism is action and good actions are needed by you right now and stop all the fibs. Karma will bite you back if you don’t.

      • Strangely
        July 31, 2014

        Lifevantage’s Distributor Policies & Procedures should be read by @Luz Malaret – this is them:
        http://www.lifevantage.myvoffice.com/pdf/en/distpp.pdf

        Check section 8.3.2 – Product Claims

        No claims, which include personal testimonials, as to therapeutic, curative or beneficial properties of any products
        offered by LifeVantage may be made except those contained in official LifeVantage materials. In particular, no Independent Distributor may make any claim that LifeVantage products are useful in the cure, treatment, diagnosis, mitigation or prevention of any diseases or signs or symptoms of disease. Not only are such claims violations of LifeVantage policies, but they potentially violate applicable laws, including, but not limited to, federal and state laws and regulations, such as the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act and Federal Trade Commission Act.
        An Independent Distributor that provides product experience testimonials in any medium should use care to disclose
        their affiliation with LifeVantage, i.e., “LifeVantage®
        Independent Distributor,” be honest in their testimonial personal
        experience and assert that they are not claiming that their experience is the typical result experienced by consumers.

        I’ve emphasised the key bit for Luz. Perhaps she should also check out section 8.5.1 – General

        …all LifeVantage Independent Distributors are personally responsible for their online postings and all other online activity that relates to LifeVantage….
        Therefore, even if a LifeVantage Independent Distributor does not own or operate a blog or social media site, if a LifeVantage Independent Distributor posts to any such site that relates to LifeVantage or which can be traced to LifeVantage, the LifeVantage Independent Distributor is responsible for the posting and must act in a way that builds, strengthens and enhances LifeVantage’s reputation, image and standing in the community. LifeVantage Independent Distributors are also responsible for postings which occur on any external website that the LifeVantage
        Independent Distributor owns, operates or controls.
        LifeVantage Independent Distributors must disclose their full names on all relevant social media profiles that relate to LifeVantage and its products or business, and each must conspicuously identify themselves as an “LifeVantage Independent Distributor.” ….

        Oops, @Luz. Missed that bit I emphasised. [As an aside, I wonder what line the insurance industry takes on false claims? Actually, I know, as does every person around.]

        Another oops (well several really) is this one:

        8.5.3.3 – Other Internet Use

        Independent Distributors may use the Internet, social networking sites, blogs, social media and applications, and other sites that have content that is based on user participation and user-generated content, forums, message boards, blogs, wikis and podcasts to do the following:
        1) Communicate preliminary information about LifeVantage or their involvement with LifeVantage;
        2) Direct users to their LifeVantage replicated website; and
        3) Post LifeVantage-produced business support materials only that have been approved by LifeVantage for posting and taken from LifeVantage’s approved “Internet Toolbox.”
        Such use is permitted provided that it (1) is incidental to the primary use of the website or forum, (2) does not contain any false or misleading information about LifeVantage, its products or business opportunities, and (3) conforms to the other policies set forth herein, including, without limitation, the policies related to the use of LifeVantage’s trademarks, trade names and other intellectual property.

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