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Crawling Across Chaos and Time Without End
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Crawling Across Chaos and Time Without End
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May
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2009
Robert G Allen, Grants, and a Credit Card Slimeball Posted on 16:29, May 6th, 2009 by StrangelyIntroductionThis is a small investigation into mail lists and scammy companies. Some companies are fine, but I always go by the adage to judge a man by the company he keeps. This shows how lists spread far beyond their initial purpose when you sign up for something. It also shows how the privacy policies of these marketting websites are just words wrapped in fluff. Robert G Allen runs ‘courses’ and is highly public in his utterances. His website is http://www.robertallenmedia.com
Funnily enough, when EasyJet was started by Stelios Haji-Ioannou, I remember him going on national telly and saying “I’m starting a new airline – we are different because we are cheap and there are no frills” and it didn’t do him any harm. Whatever. The point is that having ’signed’ up for three scammy looking enterprises, the flood of spam I initially received has now turned into a deluge. I’m now definitely one of the
Spam
Links and Query StringsThe connections run very deep. While Robert Allen is at robertallenmedia.com, it’s accessed by these links from 2 weeks of spam mail relating to various subjects I’ve listed.
You’ll see that there are various links back to similar sounding websites, most of which pointed to grantsforcitizens.org initially. All email was sent to the same person ‘Murdon’, an alias I used only once. Both websites use the annoying helpful popups as you try to close them down, (something that my webhost has started doing so they need telling off )! The last three are when ‘Murdon’ passed into someone else’s control. Epic Media Solutions was a common factor in these. They are listed in the order received;
Continuing LinksConcurrent with the above, I also signed up to a scheme using the alias, ‘morton House’. It’s a good idea to use slightly wrong case as it shows that automation has missed it and allows better traceability… The signup time was about halfway down the above list. This bunch start with eBay websites featuring an equally obnoxiously cheery avatar purporting to be Michael Green. It the same financial tale of woe and optimism. Robert Allen appears again! It then morphs into Acai shite.
All the above used a new type of string (for me) in their spam. Like so:
Sometimes this can be very large and references pictures etc
Both Murdon & morton House were sent mail from Citizen Grant Notification. This proves they are accessing the same email lists. Ressourcehurtcentral.com sent a lot. They always redirected to https://www.centennialcard.com/apply/app_info.php which is part of one of the most odious legitimate companies on the world. Ressourcehurtcentral.com in a web browser calls itself InteractiveMediaSpaces.com and it’s a very soothing, professional-looking space….. Helpfully, they provide the following comforting sentiment from their office in 73 Greentree Dr Suite #81, Dover, DE 19904
So yes, I actually do believe I received a Niagara of unsolicited mail from them. When I subscribed I subscribed to different addresses altogether. I shouldn’t have to unsubscribe! I shouldn’t be there in the first place! They can fuck right off with that one if they think I’m going to cut the headers from this pile of crap…. …calm down Reesy! Check at the bottom of the page…
Well that’s enough on them. UPDATE: I did as I was told. This came back:
You’ve got to laugh. Names in the Above Spam SourcesFONDCAVEINUTILITIES.COM KISONCOMMUNICATIONS.COM GOODBELIEVEDATAFILE.COM MANILACONTINENTAL.COM EASYBIZOPPORTUNITIES.COM EPICMEDIASOLUTIONS.COM RESSOURCEHURTCENTRAL.COM INTERACTIVEMEDIASPACES.COM centennialcard.comThese fat fuckers deserve a paragraph or two here. Their two gaffers seem to be involved in the redistribution of wealth from poor people in financial difficulties up to nice middle America Sports College things, Republican Party donations – as well as increasing the physical bulk of the head banker. See:
How Centennial Credit Card Terms & Conditions actually Redistribute Wealth Upwards!
Well that’s what it says. So you borrow $250 and are instantly charged $179! …well not quite. Many people on phoning FPB claim that the company says it’s never received stuff and thus charge the ‘customer’ another $29 for late payment. Well that’s okay and fair. …apart from the internet access fee and the late and overlimit fees? Yes…. - Because you only have access to $71 from the $250 you think you have after the first month, you may easily go over $250. Then you are billed $29. So you re-arrange the credit limit to cover this for which you are charged $25.
It doesn’t stop there though. If you are credit-worthy, your limit is automatically increased to say, $500. But don’t forget the $25 credit limit change fee!!! Ha Ha. ConclusionNeedless to say, I’m putting the Centennial Credit Card into the ‘No’ pile along with everything else. In fact, as a special consideration, First Premier Bank of Sioux Falls are going straight down the German Toilet. I advise everyone to do the same who gets a spam from them like this. This is my gift to FPB: Audio clip: Adobe Flash Player (version 9 or above) is required to play this audio clip. Download the latest version here. You also need to have JavaScript enabled in your browser. All future spam is going straight in the bin as time’s too short to analyse further. Thank god for Mailwasher Pro!! In fact, because FPB are so crap, my well-known bad taste has returned, just for them…
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Here you’ll find the chubby faced entrepreneur open and engaging, and in common with all such sites, remarkably thin in actual methods used despite the vast amount of time extolling their virtues. They will always say it’s “to protect our secrets” etc.
The fact that Bobbie Allen has a 365 day money-back guarantee and a nice Reno address is besides the point. 
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UPDATE:
I’ve just noticed (in passing, I might add), that the same false IDs I set up are now being used by the spammers to sell lottery-winning-horoscopes (I kid ye not) and a few have come in with the old Canadian Pharmacy rubbish too.
I hate spammers just as much as they do! Ha Ha!
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And to continue with the theme of sheer undisguised slimball criminality, I randomly checked one of the daily splurge of spam addressed to ‘Murdon’, one of my chosen names during this experiment.
The exact text follows below – notice how there’s no pretence at dressing the ‘Google’ word up in anything anymore. Sheer slimeball criminality.
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I think the few thousand folks in Sioux Falls who’ve got jobs with this fat fucker in Premier Bank, should have a walk round the streets of Buffalo or anywhere in Detroit, say.
Just tell everyone what you do…? I dare you.
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You have just earned a spot on my “Favorites” tab. Keep up the good works…
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@Mick
Wahay! Thanks mate. I’ll do my best.
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[...] Mailwasher Pro is doing overtime since I posted my investigation into Google Treasure Chest and the Robert G Allen Grants swindle. In this second investigation, I showed how the email spam system links the various scam [...]
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[...] Mailwasher Pro is doing overtime since I posted my investigation into Google Treasure Chest and the Robert G Allen Grants swindle. In this second investigation, I showed how the email spam system links the various scam systems [...]
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Thanks for all the info. Your site is great to let consumers know about all the slimeballs out there!
James
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Thanks for your comment James. I didn’t start out like this. I intended to do something totally different!
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“AMERICAN GURU EXPOSED IN AUSTRALIA
Robert G Allen runs from simple challenge.”
http://www.jenman.com.au/news_item.php?id=270
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“Epic Media Solutions was a common factor in these. They are listed in the order received”
Check out: http://grantmoneypro.com/
“Epic Media Solutions is a trusted internet marketing company that focuses on targeted marketing campaigns that help sell your ONE product TO MANY customers. We combine the creative, technical, development, and actual deployment stages of web marketing that generate sales for clients across many different markets and locations.”
Featured Scams, er sorry Offers: Grants for Citizens, ebay Success System, Google Elite, Acai Chews, Red Hot XP and ResV Pure.
http://grantmoneypro.com/
Registrant:
BP
5072 North 300 West
Provo, UT 84062
United States
http://whois.domaintools.com/grantmoneypro.com
Take a look at the contact us info at Robert Allen’s official website: robertgallen.com/contact.php
Robert G. Allen – Contact Us
Multiple Streams of Income, Inc
5072 North 300 West
Provo, Utah. 84604
801.852.8700
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Ho Ho Ho!
Rob Allen gets everywhere – in fact, the whole towns of Provo, Draper etc must be in on the scam somehow.
This is like the Centennial Credit Card as most of Sioux Falls is dependant on spam (I got several spam yesterday for a BLACK Centennial Card!!) for income.
The fact is, “would you want a naff card via a spam mail?” – the answer, is “only of you’re poor and thick” – and yes…..that sounds like their core customer base, the weakest and most vulnerable in society. This is in line with their committment to redistribute wealth from the poorest to the richest, and from street basketball to the local golf course (members only).
I’ve seen a similar analysis of Booby Allen before – I think it was a commenter on Complaints Board or scam.com. I followed the commenters links and he exposed the whole Allen thing right back to ~1974 – he’s been bankrupt about twice! I think your link is using that bigger one I found (I wish I knew where it was!) as source. The guy appeared to have very personal knowledge about the beaming entrepreneur!
BTW – check out the ads at the bottom of the Epic/GrantMoneyPro page. One is for Google Money Bollox! And they are still using Google logos in a suggestive way!
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I’ve “re-found” the article which exposes the dirt on clever Robert (Booby) Allen.
He says that starting in 1984, his debts to the IRS were over $340k and rising plus over $100k to other ‘gurus’, ha ha.
Reed’s personal opinion and recall of his dealings with the chubby Allen are hilarious. Coupled with an incisive insight into the “avalanche” story near the bottom, he reveals Allen’s charlatanism. Of course, tghis is his opinion, but my investigations into the trail of spam emanating and re-directing back towards the smiling Booby, confirm a lot of what he says.
I’m indebted to this scam.com article for showing me the way to John T Reed’s original.
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2004 video as Robert (Booby) Allen whisks Australia into a frenzy.
It could have been a better report with more factual guts and less hysterical LCD-type reporting IMHO. But it did show lots of folk signing up…
I wonder what they’re all doing now, five years later?
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Epic Media Solutions
I checked a spam this morning that comes from the firm… If you want to follow the link, either live in the USA or use a proxy as it’s blocked for the UK.
The point about this is that the firm’s contacts are in Delaware and are subject to the laws of Suffex County, Delaware! Thinking that the Olde Englishe connection had been jumbled over the years, I checked out the county – yup! Not Suffex, it’s Sussex….. That’s one hell of a legal document!
This is the company location. It’s the usual American planning where everything; offices, factories, houses, dog kennels…., everything is made to look like a small motel! Amazing. And there are sooooo many businesses squashed in there!
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Two other things;
One: Epic media seem to be trying to use up every zip code in Utah!
Two: The final destination is “Auction Work at Home” with the cutesy actor purporting to be Cathy Banks on this website: https://secure4.securesiteorders.com/awah/0708/templates/index_ns0625.html?subid=221007&subid2=221007S400189&hitid=633958326
Unlike the Google Money Bollox, this is supposed to be a non-recurring one-off payment of $147. Interestingly, if you try to close the page you get the (now usual) popup about speaking to an agent. If you click back and forth a few times you end up on either a $99 page or a $197 one! And it’s all the same thing.
While fiddling around with this stuff, I accidentally clicked the “Unsubscribe” link in the origonal email (twitchy mouse syndrome). I’m now officially Unsubscribed by resultsmail.com! So that’s alright then – NO MORE SPAM FOR MURDON, ha ha! ;-) (Now where’s that flying pig?)
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Q. I guess you’re wondering how the unsubscribe went for “Murdon”?
A. Well just as expected, really. That is, I got another one today that may as well just say to the world:
Today’s spam email addressed to Murdon, goes as follows:
Notice the lack of Google icons when this scheme is running. The verbage is incredible also.
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The link http://affiliate.wtclicks.com/rd/r.php?sid=134&pub=400189&c1=33 is from an affiliate network called WebTraffic2Go, who according to this: http://prosper.tracking202.com/blog/check-out-webtraffic2go
“began with financial offers and has QUICKLY diversified in the mobile, biz opp, grant and diet space”
For biz opp read Google Kit offers etc, for “diet space” Acai etc.
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Thanks.
the final paragraph in that proper.tracking202 link is a corker:
I like the way that the law enforcement which arrives to protect ‘consumer’ interests (I call that people’s interests) in major legal crackdowns, is referred to as a
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Awesome write-up as usual. I can’t believe I missed this write-up when you first posted it. Might have been before I knew your site.
Here’s our buddy Robert Miller:
https://www.livefaceonweb.com/order.aspx?ms=male&lang=en-male&model_id=4
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Thanks Paul. I’ve seen the ‘actors’ website before. It’s pretty humorous to see them speak their own names after having sat through umpteen webpages where they claim to be someone else.
In fact, it’s very reminiscent of the late lamented….
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[...] on the odiously chubby internet bankrupteer and millionaire self-publicist Robert Allen (see link here). As part of this investigation I used the name “Morton” coupled to my spam magnet [...]
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[...] regard to chubby Robert Allen and the rest of the scum hanging round the Utah/Idaho border, here, http://strangelyperfect.tv/3533/robert-g-allen-grants-and-a-credit-card-slimeball/. The other address appears in paragraph #18 [...]
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Get a grip on reality dude. Its just junk mail. Delete it and go on with your life.
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@KC
KC Truby claims to be a cowboy. Well from my vantage point in the UK, he looks a right proper cowboy, I can tell you! Truby’s selling reality is so fantastic that his website creeps along in the slow lane, his videos only half-load, his Alexa ranking is >3,000,000 and dropping, and ……. it is currently up for sale!! See http://whois.domaintools.com/kctruby.com
Junk mail isn’t “only” junk mail. It’s almost always something far more insidious and both a symptom and cause of much greater malaises…
Spam is one of the prime vectors for enticing people into malware download websites.
Spam fills up bandwidth to a horrendous degree
Spam wastes my time
Truby. You also, have wasted my time. Now fuck off.
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[...] up me after my Robert G Allen experiences and the various Robert Millar video offerings. (see here for [...]
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I see here you have told me to F. O.
Have you ever told a real cowboy from the West to F O before? What was the outcome?
May I suggest a little civility.
KC Truby
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@truby
Civil means being nicer to people – not ripping them off, wasting their time with shite, not stealing from them in the most bestial underhand fashion.
Civil does NOT mean that I have to be nice and polite to complete twats who do these things or those that think that it’s okay to fill the web with crap in some weird perverted game of deception.
So truby, as you fulfil most of the criteria above, please fuck off and don’t come back.
BTW. There are no real cowboys any more (apart from the crooks). It was all a dream that ended just as the movies started. So keep living the dream dude if it makes you happy.
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Great site. Just remember to keep things in perspective, you know? Fighting spam email is a great thing to do, but don’t let it stress you out or take up so much of your life. Is it worth it? I am not agreeing with the “get a life” comment by any means. that guy needs to get a life instead of flaming the internet. You could be smoking dope or wasting your life in any number of ways. just the perspective thing. it is easy to lose! and btw i get some of the same exact emails. I suspect only a few prolific spammers are really behind it. not these fly by night fuckers. A man was sent to prison in Seattle and there was a noticeable reported drop in spam for a while. it was a landmark case. And I know someone who does/or has done that (opt in email spamming) and he does quite a bit. Technically they get away with itnd make money because it is “opt-in” at one point you DID agree SOMEWHERE to get emails. even if its tiny print or it wasnt clear youd get spam from everyone and their mom. It needs regulation, there is too much room for people to skirt around the law making a quick buck spamming. I am tired of creating new email to eliminate spam. no matter how careful I am my email always eventually gets raped and I have to make a new one. either that or spend my life managing it and deleting and unsubscribing (which wont work anyway) im as frustrated as you about it
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@justsayin
That’s be alright if it was just spam….
But it isn’t, is it? The point is that much spam isn’t just annoying – it’s one of the main vectors for information transfer that leads people to websites that are far more dangerous than just annoying.
As you say, it needs regulation. But as I say, it’s far more dangerous than “quick buck spamming” as you say. More like “quick million bucks!”…Okay?
If you’d read the whole article, the related ones and the hundreds of comments from affected people (I know it’s tedious), then you’d realise that tens of millions of dollars have been stolen from people by these routes.
Then, it may dawn on you that it IS worth fighting for and spending time from my life.
Because it’s THEFT, pure and simple.
This is one of the Ten Commandments that the so-called God-fearing folks in Utah & Nevada seem to conveniently forget when setting up their scams.
So spam is only part of it, alright?
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oh ya merry christmas everyone
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John P Mello gives an excellent run-down on Google, spam and privacy here:
http://www.allspammedup.com/2010/02/google-buzz-socnet-or-spam-magnet/
This is in direct consequence of the abortion that is Google’s Buzz application for social networking….
Google (Do No Evil), as we all know who have been amazed at the procrastination about doing anything to protect their name from online sharks and scammers (Google Treasure Chest, Pacific WebWorks, Jesse Willms’ teeth whiteners, Acai berry cons, Grant scams etc etc etc), woke up in December to “apparently” crack down on the scammers. See http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/fighting-fraud-online-taking-google.html
Now a major part of the scammers’ armoury comes via spam emails. We all receive electronic sackfuls of the stuff!!!
But what the chattering incompetents at Google have done with their Buzz app, as John P Mello explains, is allow spammers to target people’s email address books and thus validate email addresses on AN INDUSTRIAL SCALE!!!
Unbelievably, (considering all the trouble Microsoft have had over the years with it’s own email clients spawning virus transmission to previously unheard-of levels), Google’s Buzz does exactly the same – with bells on! The onus is on each and every user of the system to lock it down – not to open it up! Handy eh?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8517613.stm
This BBC news article says that a war room of head honchos is thrashing out the problem.
To me, this demonstrates the importance that Google attaches to the social networking environment, NOT any great concern over security or business ethics.
This is especially and abundantly clear given the continuing existence of Pacific WebWorks (PWW) despite it being caught red-handed by Google and after many years worth of accumulated evidence of malpractice in the online communities’ complaints cache.
Any right-thinking person would have closed that bag of charlatans down straight away. Instead, it carries on in it’s nefarious thieving ways, only slightly chastised by it’s Google slap.
Q. How do I know?
A. Because the complaints are rising again, as shown in these pages and in the host of websites devoted to raising consumer complaints!
Google. Do no evil.
PAH!
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Here are two neat videos about the cowboy practices employed by two credit card companies:
First Delaware:
“$247 up-front, for a $300 credit line”
And First Premier Bank, as detailed in the main post above:
.-= Strangely´s last blog ..What? No Google! Use Robert Allen Instead! =-.
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