143 Responses to “Google Revolution, Different Name, Same Scam!”

1. Polly on July 20th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

   Well chaps…seems my ordeal is now over at last. I have had the Cap1 close my account and transfer the balance to a new one. (I WILL BE SOOOOO VERY CAREFUL FROM NOW ON) The amounts have been refunded, but only after a long haul. So glad I have had your input guys to refer to to get some advice and immediate results. BIG X (But from outside looking through a window to “strangely”! I hope your feeling much better…is it as bad as normal flu? and have you had the proper meedicine the Doctors have stockpiled yet? Someone said it hits you more in the chest, so inhale with the good old Vick…I swear by it. TTFN :-0 Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

   • Strangely on July 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

     @Polly That’s excellent news from you. Like I thought, they always cave in – it’s not in their interests to object which is exactly what Chris Malta says in his video, and others. You’ve just NOT got to say no, that’s all! (easier said than done, for many people). The flu, if it was the flu, is almost gone. Nearly got my voice back now. It was really a bad throat that closed the airway quite a bit, and then it went part-way down into my chest. So that was the cough. I was also pretty dizzy and stuff, and kept bumping into things and dropping stuff. I didn’t feel stomach sick much, but that’s probably due to a lifetime of booze and I’m used to the world spinning round and round, ha ha. The Tamiflu is supposed to reduce the symptoms and speed recovery – so if that’s what happened to me, then it works! In this case, I can’t do a controlled experiment, and they’re not testing anyone for the virus any-more, so there’s no way of knowing if I (a) had the flu for real, and (b) was improved by the Tamiflu medication. I also consumed a bottle of Venos, some Covonia, some Beecham’s powders (dry, great on the throat, really), and some hot berry drinks. (Crikey, I sound like an advert) From what I had, anyone with a smaller throat would have been in quite a bad way. And as an aside – the side effects of Tamiflu, as listed in the documentation, are remarkably similar to flu itself! see http://www.tamiflu.com/sideeffects.aspx I’m Okay! You’re okay! Success! That’s all that matters. Rees Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

2. Not Kevin on July 20th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

   Good to hear it’s almost gone! I wonder if we will see swine flu related scams soon – if they can claim that Acai makes you lose massive amounts of weight it’s not a giant leap to imagine them making equally ridiculous claims about it’s effects on swine flu. But then by the time it arrived you would probably be over the flu so they are probably more likely to go for the prevention angle – “amazing new green tea with acai increases immunity to swine flu!” or some bollochio like that. Going back to credit card theft and fraud – there seems to be a lot of reports of people who had previously made a purchase at on online bike store called Nashbar being charged various amounts by gglprofit.com fedgrantusa.com and networkagenda.com See: http://insidetheoutsideblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/nashbar-shoppers-beware.html and many more: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hs=uoH&q=gglprofit+nashbar&aq=f&oq=&aqi= Now what all these people appear to have in common (apart from making a purchase at Nashbar obviously) is that they did not purchase and indeed have never even heard of “Google Money Profit â�¢” [Why do these Google scammers always use a trademark symbol - there's no way they would actually be granted a trademark for something called Google Money or Google Profit or whatever given that Google is already a trademark!] Anyway, clearly someone hacked into Nashbar and nicked the credit card details of their customers for fraudulent purposes. “According to pages and pages of complaints from angry customers on BikeForums.net, Nashbar has acknowledged that one of their websites was hacked back in December 2008. However, according to this local newspaper story, the company didnâ��t tell customers about the security breach until July 1 of this year.” From: http://bikeportland.org/2009/07/14/fraud-hits-local-customers-of-online-retailer-nashbar/, Then somebody used those card numbers and customer names to sign-up for lots of Google Money Profit Kits. Now only 2 people would benefit from that, given that a Google Money Profit Kit is some worthless cd and ‘membership site’: 1) Google Money Profit or whatever the company behind it called. (Raven Media apparently): http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=raven+media+scam&btnG=Search&meta= They also offer “Free Gant connection software” https://secure.ravenmediainc.com/sites/GrantFundingSuccess/default.cfm What’s a Gant? 2) An affiliate of one of the cpa networks running the Google Money Profit ‘offer’ – who would get around $36 for each and every sign-up. As speculated above, my money would be on option 2 – they are harder to trace, it’s less obvious who the perpetrator is and they would get the money regardless of wether or not the credit charges were reimbursed. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

   • Strangely on July 20th, 2009 at 7:38 pm

     Ah! Bollochio (TM)(pat pending) Well that bike shop, if there’s any common sense in it’s customers, should be out of business by now. Good grief! Half a year’s worth of compromised system and they told no-one nor fixed it! I think you’re correct with the “harder to trace” option. It’s a no-brainer for dodgy folk seeking the easiest and safest path to rip people off. As far as I know, a Gant is missing a letter. Either a t or an r. But probably not the t. Now I’m off to concoct my new Acai-Green Tea anti-flu toothpaste! Thanks again for your input @Not Kevin. I’ll check these through later. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

3. CeePee on July 20th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

   Hello folks Sorry to burst in here but this thread is quite simply the most relevant and informative I have come across. It’s embarrassing I fell for this Google crap since I’m usually very cautious and never did anything like it before. My hometown was even mentioned (actually same name as one in the US it turns out) along with big names being plugged from the web and the media. Normally I would have googled it first but I was overtired and not concentrating properly and someone was distracting me and it seemed way more legit than things in the past in the heat of the moment as it were. So I too fell for the ‘Google’ scam whereby you supposedly pay a small shipping fee for info to post links on Twitter or wherever (I still have no idea what it was SUPPOSED to be, it was such a negligable amount for ’s&h’ to find out). I have seen many posts now about this scam where people have had trouble being removed from the scammer’s database etc. I wonder if it’s even worth my trouble since I had stopped my debit card within 25 minutes after signing up. Here is the ad I found: jobs-tribune.com/jobs/index-m.php?&id=mgvpop-uk (Originally this page specified the service was only open to those in the US but that seems to have been removed today – the next day – and of course they accepted me anyway). Here is the site it then takes you to: searchyourprofits.com/051809/orderspecial1.php Also during the registration process there was a pop up to a site called badcustomer.com which I think implies your details will be forwarded to there if you don’t pay up. Should I care about this or not? Immediately after signing up I realised my mistake and didn’t even follow the link to get the ‘product’. I contacted my bank to stop my card within 25 minutes. Here is the confirmation email they sent me with some details removed: Client ID #: Order Total: [number removed] $1.14 Make Money With Google Software Download Just $1.14 Here’s your download link again, SoftwareDownload Search Market Members Site – 7 Day Trial Member Login: wwwDOTsearchmarketmembersiteDOTcom Username: [removed] Password: [removed] Membership access is $59.95 per month should you choose to continue Grant Membership Page – 14 Day Trial Member Login: grantmembersiteDOT com Username: [removed] Password: [removed] Membership access is $7.95 per month should you choose to continue Network Agenda Membership Page – 21 Day Trial Member Login: networkagendaDOT com Click here to access your free trial Membership access is $9.95 per month should you choose to continue For billing information or any other questions regarding your order, have your order number ready and contact customer service at 1-888-216-4952 24 hours a day, 7 days a week Thanks again for your order, [removed]. We sincerely wish you well in your endeavors! Remember, your trial periods begin 07/19/2009! Just for info, I don’t think they actually have my personal home address unless they can get it from my debit card info. They asked for a ZIP code so they have my Postal Code is all (the street I live on). Judging by the complaints across the internet about these scams if I try to remove my ‘account’ I would just be wasting much time and precious phone credit on endless calls to shady people in the USA who do not remove you anyway much of the time. I really don’t know if it is worth wasting any more time on the scammers themselves by asking them to delete my account. Will there be repercussions for me now if I just ignore them? I am in the UK. Can scammers chase you up or get you blacklisted if you stop your credit/debit card to prevent them taking money off you but you do not attempt to close your ‘account’? It seems impractical they persue all the thousands of people worldwide that initially fall for it. I had originally called my telephone banking and they said they would stop my debit card, but they gave me another number for debit card specific related issues to sort out any issue of further transactions ie. those monthy fees people are getting. What I was told here is that the original $1.14 (72p) cannot be disputed since it is a sign up fee that I agreed to and so I will lose this money. I now have to wait until it appears on my statement because the scam company have not yet taken the money. Further to that, I will also have to pay at least the first monthly fee because it is apparently only at this point that my bank can dispute any further money taken from my account by writing to the company and ordering them to stop in future. He also advised me I should contact the company myself and specifically tell them I want to cancel, but this of course will just send me on a wild goose chase and waste more of my time and money in phone calls, and frankly I can’t afford these calls anyway. I am aware (now) of their Terms Of Service which DO specify some of the charges in the small print and despite reading here some supportive comments about how these people are criminals that is not the same as trying to say this to my bank… So I’m thinking of telling my bank I want to close my account with them and switch to another… I mean these are scam sites and by definition I am unlikely to be able to cancel. I have seen numerous references to this scam across the web with different phone numbers to call. One that seemed relevant to me and posted just a week ago is not recognised already. So now what on earth do I do? Also I’m not entirely sure what the point is of cancelling my card anyway if the company (and it’s affiliate companies) can still access my account! So now I wonder about all those people who simply cancelled their cards (even after the monthly fees were taken, unlike my case as yet..) people who never got anywhere with the company: either because they could not get a response from emails, get through over the phone or just because they didn’t want anything more to do with it after getting a new credit/debit card… So many people post about it but few seem to specify what happened next other than stopping the card, or just that they were scammed. Thus I have no idea what might occur now. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

   • Strangely on July 21st, 2009 at 12:18 pm

     @CeePee No need to apologise about bursting in – it’s not a private conversation! You’ve already put blocks on your card, but it’s a debit card not credit card and the rules are different – the only similarity is they are both made of plastic! If you’d used a credit card, the onus is on the scammer to prove to the card company that it’s a valid charge. It’s a different ball-game altogether, I think. Personally, I should phone that telephone number 1-888-216-4952 straight away. They’ve let it be known there that that’s the contact point. You’ll also have to ensure that all the various signups are cancelled – some people have said this is all done on the one number. They may flit about from point to point – I can’t tell. Try this posting for a good example of cancelling via the telephone. You’ll see how they try to duck and dive, but when you hammer home your point, they cave. They always do. http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=23410073&postcount=6 If you can’t make contact with the ‘company’ then get onto to your bank immediately and say this. At that point it’s a fraud. If they don’t believe you, ask them to call on your behalf or get them to set up a 3-way phone call so that they can listen in. (All these sort of things have been successfully done by people who’ve contacted me) As for your bank – the child on the phone obviously hasn’t seen the ‘contract’ or has any idea of the nature of the beast they are dealing with. Even under the scammer’s rules, you DON’T have to pay a month – that’s why I’m saying it’s imperative to cancel using the “company’s” route as detailed on their receipt to you. If this isn’t honoured, you have full power to say that they are scammers to your bank and have everything blocked as a fraud. Until that point, the bank is partly right in that a contract has been made between you and the scammer. In actual fact, your receipt is quite detailed – some people don’t even get one! Use this to keep right on your side. When (or if )you get through to 1-888-216-4952, keep a note of everything said and all the various numbers and codes that may be given to you – you’ll need them. If you need 10 cups of coffee to keep you alert, then drink them. Don’t get palmed off with anything. Be firm and loud and certain in your demand for a cancellation of all charges and contracts. As I said before, if you can’t make contact then it’s a definite fraud that your bank should be made of, and then they should have no difficulty believing you and setting up full blocks to any money draw-downs against you. There are various ways of looking at the website you signed up to. If you’d have checked a bit more you’d have seen the T&Cs and that the company is in Pasig City in the Phillipines. Still. Live and learn, eh? To me it just shouts BARGE-POLE, but I’ve spent a fair bit of time with these scum as web-fellows. For someone, who’s new to all this, it’s easy to get sucked in – and THEY KNOW IT! As for badcustomer.com Forget about them. They have no power or substance and are just dust in the wind. It’s just another way of threatening people. They are on Paradise Road in Las Vegas which Google Streetview shows to be about as far from Paradise as it’s possible to get! Absolute shite. View Larger Map Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

4. Dazzle White and Easy White Scam - Mom's trick to whiter teeth, like Easy Google Cash on July 20th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

   [...] Google Revolution, Different Name, Same Scam! | Strangely Perfect Don't get scammed! And please pass this post around to your network as well. Thanks! Barbara Ling __________________ My Dynamically Exciting Lensmaster Profile Free eBook: 13 Ways You Are Leaving Money On the Table… And How You Can Fix That Today! Click HERE for a Free Income Fitness Sample [...] Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

5. CeePee on July 21st, 2009 at 4:55 pm

   Hey thanks Strangely for the info, guidance and support! So I called the phone number in the email quoted above with the correct US dialling code and got a number not recognised. This seems to me enough to deal with any quibbles from my bank, and as you say I can try asking them to call it themselves whilst pointing out the site is run from the Pillipines. I will do this tomorrow since yesterday the bank advised me to wait a couple of days until any transaction is made (no money was taken from my account at that point). So the initial 72p charge for the google pack is as yet unresolved. As to the three other companies/sites mentioned in the email quoted above it seems on the surface of things I have made some headway… Two of them as quoted above gave user/passwords for their site log-ins, the third featured links and info to close one’s account. Frankly, it seemed a little too easy given the nature of these people, but if things go as they seem to be then I guess it’s all part of their need to seem completely legit. Anyway, here are the details of what occurred, although I have removed some info as noted below: grantmembersite.com/ 21st July 3.30pm GMT Melissa Mercer: Hello, and welcome to Live Chat. Please wait one moment while I locate your account. Melissa Mercer: Thank you very much for your patience, how can I be of assistance to you today? You: hi Melissa You: i would like to cancel my account in entirety please Melissa Mercer: Alright, the best way to cancel any portion of your account is by speaking to customer service. You can reach our Customer Service at 1-(800)-546-2919. Our Customer Service is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You: why can you not cancel it now? You: i want you to remove my account from your system right now You: i did not wish for this ’service’ Melissa Mercer: One moment please and I will see what I can do for you. You: this service is entirely irrelevant to me You: i am not even in the united states You: please be aware i am logging all of this communication Melissa Mercer: Thank you for patiently waiting. ********** will be your confirmation number. Your account has been successfully canceled. I have taken the liberty of sending you a confirmation email as well. Is there anything else I may assist you with today? You: no melissa that is very kind of you if this is the case Melissa Mercer: Yes, I can assure you that the full account is cancelled. Thank you for using our chat assistance. I hope you have a wonderful day! You: thank you again and you too =] searchmarketmembersite.com/ 21st July 3.40pm GMT Tyrone Iverson: Hello, and welcome to Live Chat. Please wait one moment while I locate your account. You: hi Tyrone and thanks Tyrone Iverson: I apologize, but according to your account, your service with us has expired. If you feel this is in error, please call customer service at 1-(866)-396-5694 . Customer Service is open from 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. You: please explain, why would my service be expired? You: are you saying i no longer have an account with you? Tyrone Iverson: Correct. Our records indicate that you canceled earlier today. You: ok Tyrone thank you very much for the info. Please be aware i have logged this communication You: i hope you have a good day Tyrone Iverson: I do apologize and hope you have a wonderful day as well. networkagenda.com/ 21st July 3.50pm GMT No live chat here but links and info to cancel: “Canceling the Networkagenda is very simple you may contact our customer service at 1-800-418-9320 or you may also email us at email hidden; JavaScript is required or simply click the cancel membership button on the customer resolution website.” networkagenda.com/cs/index.php?section=cancel (cancel membership button results in a blank browser page) 21st July 4pm GMT Email sent to: email hidden; JavaScript is required Please cancel this account: *** *** ZIP Code: *** *** I have used the cancel membership button on the customer resolution website but I am also sending this email as a secondary measure. Please be aware I have recorded this communication and I thank you for your time. Checking my email for Melissa Mercer’s cancellation confirmation nothing had appeared yet and I figured they might appreciate hearing from me again… 21st July 4.10pm GMT Leave a message Our operators are currently offline. Please leave us a message using the form below and someone will respond to you as soon as possible. Hello Having spoken to operator Melissa Mercer my account has apparently been closed as I wish. However she did say: “Your account has been successfully canceled. I have taken the liberty of sending you a confirmation email as well.” Since when registering on many websites a confirmation email usually comes rather quickly and 35 minutes later I have still not recieved one I thought I might let you know in case there are any problems. Please be aware this communication has been recorded. Thank you for your time. Soooo thankfully I won’t need to waste my time and money on pointless calls to the US. I just need to see what happens about the google pack 72p charge and speak to my bank again, but right now although things are going well on the surface I will make no assumptions everything is resolved until I’ve both spoken to my bank again and see a couple of months worth of bank statements. They have been extremely lucky to catch me whilst my eye was off the ball because I never get caught like this usually, not because I know how these people work as you probably have noticed but because I am very cautious. So now it’s off tot he bank again tomorrow. O well. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

   • Strangely on July 21st, 2009 at 5:05 pm

     @CeePee That’s a really good walk-through of your process. I’ve seen similar ones on other sites, but yours is excellent. Thanks for taking the time to get back with your experience and feedback. If I were you, I’d phone the bank now, give them the duff phone number as per your receipt, let them try it and then surely, they can make a sound judgement about your experience based on that! Just block the 72p – that’s a king-size Mars Bar! And you may as well have it and not them. Rees Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

6. CeePee on July 21st, 2009 at 5:21 pm

   Ok thanks Strangley. Unfortunately I have missed opening hours for my local branch today and I know from experience calling them off my mobile to enter their ALWAYS busy queues will destroy my credit so I’ll have to wait until tomorrow anyway. As to the walk-through, it’s the least I can do after the great info and guidance recieved here, and hopefully it might help others who either fell for these scams or are fighting against them. It’s just a shame I’ve had to waste my three afternoons off work on this. I’ve learned three lessons here though: 1. NEVER to take my eye off the ball even once. 2. How these people work. 3. I should learn how to find out who or what is behind a website, for instance if it’s based in the Phillipines etc. Thanks again! Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

   • Strangely on July 21st, 2009 at 5:38 pm

     @CeePee You’ll probably still be okay with it by tomorrow. It’s just a pity that you got sucked in enough to hit the “Okay” button! Still, you can pass the message on, and tell folks about the videos below. the key, as Chris Malta makes out, is to have no fear and an absolute certainty in your rightness, and the scammer’s badness (their scare tactics prove this). For anyone that’s been frightened by the scare tactics in CeePee’s initial posting, or if you need re-assurance that fighting back is the way to go, just watch Chris Malta’s video on chargebacks -- and do it!! He has produced a host of related videos about all aspects of the scammer’s toolbox. See http://www.chrismalta.com/busting.asp -- there are 11 now! All free, all straightforward. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

7. Google Treasure Chest and the BBB (Better Business Bureau) | Strangely Perfect on July 21st, 2009 at 11:00 pm

   [...] the menace continues. For further information, all chat on this and subsequent scams is now here: Google Revolution, Different Name, Same Scam! and here: More on Google Profits and Pacific Webworks/ The US Better Business Bureau has posted [...] Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

8. CeePee on July 22nd, 2009 at 6:11 pm

   So here’s an update, primarily so you guys who have done these nice investigations know more about debit cards… or in a nutshell that these scammer scum probably love them! Today – 2 days after the bank said to wait a couple of days – the 72p has still not been taken from my account. The bank (Barclays) are adamant that nothing can be done until it happens, and as it goes their phone service was pretty awful with long queues, no option to go back to a previous menu and operators passing me back and forth seemingly to get rid of me and in one case even mistakenly passing me to the wrong operator wasting even more time in a queue. One of the operators told me since debit cards are guaranteed payments that it is not possible to stop such a payment if you voluntarily clicked the button as it were. Having made the point this website turned out to be in the Phillipines and that their customer service number is not even recognised, he said nothing can be done even so for a guaranteed transaction, or at least he cannot advise me further until they take the 72p. Now it could be that they will not do so for such a small amount now that I have (supposedly) cancelled with the other 3 dodgy companies. The reason I say this is as we see from the walkthrough I posted earlier these supposedly separate companies with – I should add – different username/passwords given to their ‘customers’ quite obviously share the same databases: I had cancelled with Melissa from one ‘company’ and then Tyrone told me I was already cancelled with his… go figure! But anyway, this is a WARNING to anyone who uses a debit card: your transactions are guaranteed unlike a credit card so you may have more difficulty in preventing the loss of your money. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

9. CeePee on July 22nd, 2009 at 6:30 pm

   Oh and I might add (sorry for double post) that you may have more difficulty in preventing the loss of your money… until such time as they have at least temporarily had their grubby fingers on your dosh. Another thing I wonder may be of note: about this common idea of stopping one’s card… It is probably best to be safer but the truth is one of the Barclays operators said when I specifically asked about it that after the transaction of the 72p the scammers will probably not even know the card was stopped and changed: it is your bank account they now have access to, not just your old card details. This is why it seems it is wiser not just to stop your card but get onto your bank about further or any transactions. I originally posted here partly wondering about these people gulled into these scams who might say they stopped their card but then give no further details as to what may have later transpired if anything. Well there’s a good reason to query this: it’s probably not just one’s card that the scammers get access to. Unfortunately, since the transaction has not gone through yet and thus the bank cannot advise me further, much of what I said is not 100% confirmed unless anyone else has better knowledge than this layman. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

   • Strangely on July 23rd, 2009 at 9:40 am

     @CeePee Barclays eh? Might have known. However, that aside. What you’ve said just proves the mantra that many people have said which is to always pay with a Credit Card when on-line. There may be a £100 claims cut-off but the other benefits are pretty obvious now. As a layman, that’s all I know on the subject anyway. However, it raises one point in my mind…. If you’d paid with a cheque, guaranteed with your card, say to £250, you can cancel it! It’s called dishonouring a cheque. A not unknown practice for anyone who has run a business like myself. I’ve had a few presented to me over time… And another point…. If you’d paid for this scam and it cost £300 against the guarantee on your card of £250 – what does that mean? What does it mean if you’d paid with your debit card for £100k motor car and you’ve only 4p in the bank? Will the bank cough up? These all tend to suggest in my mind that the banks can set the rules how they like. It’s not all done and dusted yet, I think. Finally. Barclays. About my least favourite company in Britain, that has demonstrated their double standards to me many times in my long adult life. Thinking about them, my face now bears a grimace not dissimilar to that which it would have if I were trying to balance a dog turd on my top lip. (I’m sorry it’s your bank – truly!) Barclays own First Premier Scumballs, a credit card company dedicated for the redistribution of wealth upwards from the poorest, most vulnerable people in America into nice middle-class activities and fat banker bellies. See http://strangelyperfect.tv/3533/robert-g-allen-grants-and-a-credit-card-slimeball/ Pay $302 to borrow $72! (Isn’t this $72 remarkably similar to the $72.21 pcm that Google Treasure Chest and others grab off people? I wonder how many people have spotted this?) See http://strangelyperfect.tv/3099/google-treasure-chest-its-a-scam-and-a-half/ Saying that, there’s not much difference between any of them. Wells Fargo seem to be doing very nicely now in the USA now off the backs of the people’s rescue. This was a report on UK TV last night…. Same as Golden Sacks of money a few days earlier. And don’t get me started on the Scottish lot here… Postscript: I suppose at least they are real banks – today’s news from Uganda & Kenya looks bad – some scammers set up (with false cheques) and ran a fake bank for two months before suddenly upping sticks with everybody’s dosh! See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8164842.stm Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

10. Not Kevin on July 24th, 2009 at 2:44 am

    Here’s another sordid story of scams and lies which makes interesting reading: http://www.cp-receivership.com/documents/az.central.cp.article.05-08-2006.pdf Interesting comment on the receivership site which is relevant to current scams: “were it not for an abnormally high number of credit card “chargebacks” the company might have gone on selling their products for a long time” http://www.cp-receivership.com/receivership.aspx So to CeePee, Polly and anyone else who has been the victim of a scam – don’t give up, be adamant with your bank or card issuer. YOUR money was stolen from you by deception and you have every right to have it back by means of a chargeback. The best way to get your money back and stop other people being scammed: : Insist your bank or card issuer do a chargeback. : Report the scam – to the FTC.gov, ic3.gov, your Attorney General if you are in the US and anywhere else relevant. When they get complaints in quantity they will investigate and take legal action as they did with Google Treasure Chest. : Complain to the site where you saw the original advert. Advertising is what allows the scams to appear all over the internet so the more of these avenues that can be shut down the better. Any decent website doesn’t want scams advertised on it either! Google adwords and Facebook are already taking action against scammy ads and advertisers due to the volume of user complaints. Hopefully other ad networks will follow if enough people complain. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

11. Strangely on July 24th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    I wonder what CP stood for? That pdf made interesting reading. As always, they think the law is at fault…. Did you make it down to the bottom of the pdf? If so, you’ll have picked up on the comment; “I think Vinny Passafiume is back as “Vincent James” with 77milliondollars.com and 12-month-millionaire.com It certainly looks this way! The guy is even bragging about it! And the ‘courses’ he’s flogging look seriously familiar to us in both style and content. See this google search on the two names: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=77milliondollars.com+and+12-month-millionaire.com So everyone – just watch out. These people have made serious amounts of bad money which allows them to operate with virtual impunity, paying for services and persuasion, legal or otherwise, from their ill-gotten gains, and thus dodging the law when any normal person would be in the clink for a decade. It’s not co-incidence that the ‘products’ are so familiar and that mention of money-laundering and the mob can be made in the same article and no-one bats an eyelid… Speaking of operating with impunity, the news from New Jersey today where a host of civil and religious officials have been arrested for corruption, including the flogging-on of transplant kidneys from Israel makes interesting reading and shows that anybody, religious or not, can be as bent as a nine-bob note. We should all bear this in mind, especially when looking at the antics of the Utah Tabernacle lot…. see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8165607.stm http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124835404608875685.html?mod=rss_com_mostcommentart Now I’m just off to check my Cornflakes packet… Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

12. Not Kevin on July 24th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    “12 month millionaire” – should that not be called “how I made 77 million dollars by scamming people then had most of it seized by the state and faced 20 years in jail but only got 6 months” – not quite as catchy though I guess. So basically it’s a manual on how to get rich from scamming?! Required reading for certain people in Utah. Speaking of Utah, it seems that like Utah, County Durham now has it’s own ‘Grand Canyon’. Well at least according to the BBC. Not quite on the same scale though are they: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8166533.stm http://www.utah.com/nationalparks/grandcanyon.htm I somehow doubt that tourists will be flocking to County Durham to see that! Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

    • Strangely on July 24th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

      Ha Ha. Yes I’ve been checking that out to see exactly where it is on Google maps. I played a gig for a load of bikers just downstream from there! Saying that, it’s what meandering rivers on a flat flood plain do…. As for the manual on scamming, if everyone in Utah hasn’t read it yet, then it must be out on permanent loan from the Provo library…. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

13. Strangely on July 24th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    Further News for Bollochio from an Email!!! I think the next batch of shifting scamminess is on the way. Bollochio got an email with a highly amusing subject and text, with even more interesting destinations! Typically, these promise the Earth and millions, and have the high quality content we’ve come to love to expect… From: “AvoidWebScam” To: “Bollochio” Subject: The top-three endorsed work at home programs! The link, which is a picture of Abraham Lincoln popping out of an egg(I kid ye not) is this: http://go.edir1.com/_p_ga4×2nkxjjfuz8ex7a4×6ukxbdrb2jtshdvv2kexrgrz2nqxrdrw2jyxrjfubngrb2tw7bhr62mlnmfvs64×7gdvs4umnyjf364knbgvzlra_p_/click.emaildirect (emaildirect.com charge $2-400 for 10k drops pcm. they are at 5714 Folsom Blvd., Sacremento, CA 95819) After some whirring of the redirection cogwheels it takes you to: webreviewagency.com/L/20/?sub=3&prt=1343&Company= (domain owned by Joseph Stein, 250 24th Street, NW, 3rd Floor, Sacramento, California,94203) This “honest Joe” kind-ov-a site has the amusing headline: «In 2007, My Mother Lost $9,731 from a Blood-Sucking Internet Scam That Destroyed Her Credit, Wiped Out Her Savings, and Worried Her Sick.» (the irony, oh the irony!) Now, in complete contrast to the spam email which said 3 ‘programs’ – we get 4!!! Here they are with a quick summary: Grants For Citizen: ->Government Money Secrets, served from securesiteorders.com (Domain hidden), annoying avatar, terms are JRS Media again. GoogleMoneyProfits: ->redirects to singlesnet.com (in UK – but n.b. the headline is #1 online dating service in the US!) OR mysearchcashonline.com/071609/?subid=221106&subid2=450680&hitid=635907316 (in USA), modified GTC signup with all the usual cons, graphics, countyer, crap non-working terms. Work at Home Recruiters: -> workathomerecruiters.com/?utm_source=ClickBooth&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=CB%2B-%20Affiliate&s=CD571 who are c/o General Counsel, 3867 West Market Street, Suite 256, Akron, Ohio 44333. They have a protected WHOIS… Mystery Millionaire: -> mysterymillionaire.com/?10030!prt1343_refprt This geezer says he’s made $200,000,000 and wants to pass on the secrets. The contact address given is 228 West Lincoln Highway, #133 Schererville, IN 46375 – which puts it in a building site on a dual carriageway….. View Larger Map On the other hand, a WHOIS pulls out the nice juicy millionaires row that he lives on as … 1555 E Flamingo Drive #155 Las Vegas, NV 87119 ….which is right behind the closed off entrance to this trailer park!!! View Larger Map Now after all of this, does this REALLY look like an unbiased email pointing to a real website devoted to somebody who is, in his words: “Now, I’m Out To Shut Down All These Fake Sites, Prevent YOU From Being Scammed, And Uncover The ONLY Real Income Opportunities Left On The Internet!” I THINK NOT! Ah Bollochio! For each pile of bollox your nose gets longer and longer. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

14. CeePee on July 26th, 2009 at 2:00 am

    “Barclays own First Premier Scumballs [...] See http://strangelyperfect.tv/3533/robert-g-allen-grants-and-a-credit-card-slimeball/” o rly? Yeah I checked that before actually. It’s like drinking coffee with off milk in it. Here’s one I found that disappointed me: I like girl’s like this Sarah Wilmington with such beautiful curly brown hair… I figured from the story on the page that even though she has a husband, Michael, with whom she spent $329.99 for The Google Links Program – no wait, but on the disclaimer page it says “keep in mind that Sarah got the Google trials for free” – but anyway.. I thought she’s just my kind of girl and I might stalk her. So yes I was so disappointed when further in the disclaimer it then said: “THE STORY DEPICTED ON THIS SITE AND THE PERSON DEPICTED IN THE STORY ARE NOT REAL.” Well damn it! I suppose at least they are honest and saved me much trouble trying to track her down. http://www-career-digest.com/ But then when I clicked the link to the links program I found a familiar site (sic): https://www.yoursearchprofits.com/051809/index.php?subid=200041&subid2=43443&hitid=667323824 And that got me to thinking I could always stalk my old operator friend Melissa Mercer… “I wonder what CP stood for?” It stood for my initials =] “This geezer says he’s made $200,000,000 [...] The contact address given is [...] in a building site on a dual carriageway…” Laughing my rear side off! I’ve been busy at work and I have a hectic week ahead but I hope to at least nip in the bank soon and grab a statement to see if they’re taken that king size Mars bar yet… Welp, time for bed! Goodnight Sarah! Goodnight Melissa! Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

    • Strangely on July 26th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

      Ha Ha. Nice one @CeePee. You’re getting a very good idea of the chicanery going on now! Not only do they contradict themselves from page to page, website to website – they even contradict themselves ON THE SAME PAGE! Quite often the top doesn’t even agree with the bottom… When I queried the “CP” I was referring to @Not Kevin’s URL that he pointed out. We’ve become inured to the constant stream of websites with similar yet weird names. In an effort to understand their minds, figuring out the “cp” can lead us down another path. (I kindov guessed that they were your initials as well ;-) ) Now I depart. I’ve got another $200m to make from my comfy mansion in Main Street Somerset. Bloody boats and sports cars littering the drive…. Oh! And here’s that $200m address in a building site next to the dual carriageway again: View Larger Map Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

15. Goodbye Bollochio? | Strangely Perfect on July 29th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    [...] and remove Bollochio, my nom-de-spam for some of the Utah-based scam-meisters, as detailed here, google-revolution-different-name-same-scam , for instance. Dr. Joseph Stein and [...] Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

16. Fighting Back Against Internet Scammers « My Endless Hot Water on July 30th, 2009 at 4:33 am

    [...] For more about these con artists and their scams, check this out… http://strangelyperfect.tv/4308/google-revolution-different-name-same-scam/ [...] Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

    • Strangely on July 30th, 2009 at 9:40 am

      jaydee045 in this pingback above (original link here) has a couple of interesting points to which people should pay attention. The fact that she was conned out of $6895 by a ‘company’ called PMI Coaching which is part of the same ’stable’ of consters. See her About page here: http://saundrak.wordpress.com/about/ This link to an article on Salt Lake City Weekly .net: http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/article-8446-called-out.html This shows the levels of scam involved ($300m) and also highlights how close to governmental people the scammers are, which thus explains how they have operated for so long with virtual unhindered impunity, chucking real laws back into the faces of honest people It’s actually very re-assuring to see an organisation within UTAH that isn’t a scammer that is reporting truth and trying to show these people for what they are! This is only the third time I’ve seen such a thing from an organisation and not an individual. However, even looking at individual’s comments online, it still appears that most people in Utah can’t see anything wrong with the scam ripoff companies…. …or is this just my perception and that the vast majority just lie quietly in the background? Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

      • Strangely on August 1st, 2009 at 1:30 pm

        http://www.cityweekly.net This website is fantastic! Certainly, the journalist called Eric S Peterson seems to put his life on the line each time he lays pen to paper…. It’s proper journalism. This is the info from their “Contact Page” WHO WE ARE Salt Lake City’s only free alternative newsweekly. Distribution: 60,000 copies, serving 208,400 readers along the Wasatch Front. Founded in 1984 as Private Eye by John Saltas Mission: To provide our readers with a quality news product. As the cultural reference point for many Utahns, it is our goal to provide new ideas and meanings in a contemporary alternative newspaper format. Slogan: “If we don’t print it, who will?” Member of the national Association of Alternative Newsweeklies (aan.org). Mailing address and office location: 248 S. Main Salt Lake City, UT 84101 801-575-7003 Given that the latest law “hit” on the scammers and their call centres was implemented by the FTC, who then appeared to be the bad guys in the slanted world that a lot of Utahns live, this next post about the amount of momentary support that the current Utah AG, Mark Shurtleff(the Wikipedia article is notable for the omission of any scandal whatsoever – most politicians have at least one entry!), gets from call centre companies (~25% of his election budget) gives a valid reason why the Feds had to be called in…. See: http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/article-7772-called-into-question.html Peterson’s investigation link: Called Into Question A story of fraud, drugs, waterboarding and the call-center companies that gave Attorney General Mark Shurtleff $187,500 in 2008. By Eric S. Peterson The neat graphic says it all! Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

17. MyBookface, Google, Utah and Nevis Scamboys United | Strangely Perfect! on August 8th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    [...] Follow the Guidance given in Google Treasure Chest – it’s a scam and a half!, Google Revolution, Different Name, Same Scam!, More on Google Profits and Pacific Webworks, Robert G Allen, Grants, and a Credit Card Slimeball [...] Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

18. From Slimeballs to Horoscopes | Strangely Perfect! on August 17th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    [...] Sure enough, ‘Morton’ appeared in heaps of spam I started receiving.  Another example is in this comment to another investigation, here [...] Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

19. Ramona on September 12th, 2009 at 3:58 am

    Good god Almighty- the google idiots changed the name to GOOGLE Profusion, i googled ” google profusion scam,” and found you!jajaja I knew it was a scam because every single link I CLICKED ON REDIRECTED ME TO THE ORDER PAGE> DUH ya think they were anxious to get me to order? Well some poor sucker got suckered and I will refer the to yr page as they want to stop the charges on their card, and will probably freak when the read the phoney fine print- thanks soo much keep up the work to protect us dumb….and don’t spam me jajaja just a joke. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

    • Strangely on September 15th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

      Thanks @Ramona Happy to oblige and I’m glad you got out when you did! Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

20. White Knight SEO-ers ride in on broken horses… on September 13th, 2009 at 9:50 am

    [...] 06/16/2009 (StrangelyPerfect.TV): Google Revolution, Different Name [...] Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

21. Intellipay, TradeWorks Marketing, Inc. FundWorks, Inc. EAuction Tutor, and Pacific WebWorks Inc. | Scam Times on September 13th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    [...] Finance.Why am I talking about Pacific WebWorks? Well they seem to be behind some of the biggest Google Scams and several other scams. But that does not make it as bad as some of the other things I am seeing. They are behind EAuction [...] Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

    • Strangely on September 15th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

      er…. I’ve checked out this guy in this comment and he appears to be called “Matt”. The website appears to be collating information and warnings given elsewhere and even though it’s only been going a short time(since 9/9/9 no less!) and published information freely available elsewhere (like here), the webmaster claims to be under some sort of legal threat from the UTAH scamsters? Like I said, er…? Funnily enough, “Matt”, in the metadata of the website has a wee bit of contradiction going on…. On the one hand, his metadata reads: Scam Times is dedicated to uncovering and discovering scams and shams. We dig deeper into the scams and shams to uncover the real people behind it. and also: scams, shams, scammer, is this a scam, am i scammed This info is from a WHOIS of the scamtimes.com domain, see whois Yet on the other hand, the same WHOIS reveals that the owner is obfuscated by our old friends”Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.”, who only exist, in my humble opinion, to hide people from cursory examination that are up to no good! What says you, Matt? There’s no shame in letting us know who you are, as there’s nothing on the “About” section of the website to clue us in – only beggings for cash to maintain the high volume of data expected…? Aside from that, ‘Matt’ has added some useful background info into the whole scammy plotters’ operations on top of the already extant stuff we have. He’s also providing advice for people sucked into the scam by their own personal circumstances. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

      • Matt Jezorek on September 19th, 2009 at 2:56 am

        Let me just clear the air here, I claimed that I was waiting my letters more as a joke I will be glad to post my about page on the site however I am still pondering how far I can take it without getting sued out of my house and home. While I should be protected under the first amendment there have been numerous cases of blogs getting sued for slander etc. Even one record of someone getting sued for a comment on the blog they maintained. The post you are talking about is the one titled “How long before the letters from the attorneys” it talks about Madison, Mississippi is the ip that is coming in. That post also goes on to say they are only reading posts about the scammer that hails from Madison, Mississippi who has attempted to sue the BBB I wont post links but all those articles are on the site as well as a conversation between the BBB and a TV station in Atlanta GA. The metadata is automatically generated from the wordpress plugin SEO All in One Pack and I have been looking to see a better way to do it. I may just have to break down and write my own metadata for each post as it is supported. Yes my whois is private but only because I registered the domain via the google apps domain registration and they registered it private I did not pay attention to see if I could change that. That is my fault. I will be glad to update my about page etc. Also yes the domain is very new as it is my new project only because I have not slept good for the past few months and tired of seeing infomercials taking away hard earned money from people. You can find my other sites and what I have done or not done via Google and my name, and I will update my about page in the next day or so to try to put out the information. Originally I did want to remain anonymous but apparently some people want the information and after doing even more research I can see why. I have found several sites that are supposedly calling out scams but at the same time perpetrating them with links and affiliate marketing off. Now I can’t say too much about that however because I am using Google Adsense for advertising to hopefully pay for the server and bandwidth. Made a massive $17.44 If you have more questions feel free to email me and I will be glad to let you know what ever you want. My apologies if I have offended anyone as my intention with this site is to uncover more of these scams and create some type of 6 degrees of separation between these scammers as they all seem to be related in some way. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

        • Strangely on September 19th, 2009 at 11:24 am

          http://www.scamtimes.com/ Thanks Matt. I think the air is well and truly cleared! At least we know we’re all on the same side now. I think there are well UNDER six degrees of separation with these scum. The links are fairly clear to me especially since it’s an easy task to watch all the scam cash flowing out to tax-havens like Nevis & Gibraltar (all former British colonies, with offshore banking set up by the British aristocracy just after WW1 as a way to get round inheritance tax). As for Google ads, I just leave them now and don’t worry about them. For a time, my postings attracted exactly the stuff I didn’t want, but when I realised that if someone clicked on an ad, the scammer had to pay…well it’s a sort of natural justice, isn’t it! I think you’ve pulled out some good extra information, so keep it up! Don’t worry about being sued. Everything you’ve found is in the public domain, and everything you say, if you carefully qualify your words, is fair comment. Just be careful not to slander i.e. say obvious lies about anyone. Choose your moral ground and stick to it. Everything the scammers have done follows the same path i.e. once they’re found out, they shout and bluster. But when directly attacked with justifiable and verifiable information, they back down and run away to try another tack. This is especially evident when real law like the FTC comes after them. It’s much more cost-effective for them to shut up shop, safe in the knowledge that their ill-gotten gains are holed up in the West Indies… On the subject of the AIO SEO Pack which I also use, a blogger is currently being threatened (not sued, you notice), with vague legalese over his SEO metadata by a scummy Acai MLM company from…yup!…Salt Lake City! These have mega-bucks at their disposal, the blogger claims to lie on his couch all day. So it’ll be interesting to see how this pans out. (My gut feeling is that the Acai monster will do nothing to protect their ‘good name’ as they put it. Oprah has a lot more dosh than them and she’s pretty pissed off about the whole purple fiasco overall). Anyway, read all about it in these links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonaVie http://consumerist.com/5356665/monavie-hits-blogger-over-trademarks-in-metadata http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-employee-calls-me-an-annoying-douche/ http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/ (3331 comments!!!) http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-sue-me/ http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2009/09/01/here-come-the-monavie-lawyers/ http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2009/09/03/mona-vie-dont-use-our-name-in-your-url-unless-youre-wikipedia-and-were-doing-the-editing/ It was Marx who said that all capitalism is theft. However, not all theft is capitalism. Mostly, it’s just theft -and the scammers know it! This is why they invariably back down as Chris Malta keeps repeating in his videos. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

22. White Knight SEO-ers ride in on broken horses… | Free Work Now on September 14th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    [...] 06/16/2009 (StrangelyPerfect.TV): Google Revolution, Different Name [...] Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

23. Strangely on September 15th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    After a hiatus of a month or so, this particular post has had a walloping increase in hits in the last couple of days. I can only assume that there’s been some sort of advertising campaign to entice people into the scam, either (or both) email spam and/or infomercials on cable etc. Just remember…. IF IT LOOKS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE – THEN IT IS!!! These people will stop at nothing and use all manner of subterfuge and devices to extract money from mainly vulnerable people – vulnerable because of economics or status; vulnerable because they’re fed up with the rat race or life and want personal success or revenge…… Whatever the motive, they are vulnerable and easily led. It’s never okay to say “they deserve it” or “finders keepers, losers weepers”. In the UK such an action is an arrestable criminal offence, that is, it’s theft. So watch out folks, and be careful. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

24. lee on September 16th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Hi I would like to get an English perspective on this global shit storm of a scam. I have been hit by 3x trainingforonlinecash, this month they have changed the name to EBizTrainingSite.com 877-703-3234.Also click sell go and taxhotline. I have contacted my bank (post office) and listed all the scam deductions; they are charging bank my losses. The card company told me not to cancel the card. I then went after the money the Google boys had ripped off me. I contacted the Hotline and clickseel go, and was told subscription cancelled refund in 10 days (never happened) Google Revolution was different, I was told I had to put in writing my cancellation and reason for refund (which I did) and then send it to the Henderson address (as shown at the top of page) I sent it tracked and today it came back as ” address unknown. I have filled fraud complains in the UK and USA, but still not a sniff of the lost money. Going to send a recorded letter to the Durham address, but I am just not sure where to go with this. I am all ears guys!!! Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

    • Strangely on September 16th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

      @lee I thought this ’shit of a storm’ had died down a bit, but as expected, they seem to be up to their old tricks. In this case, you must fight fire with fire and get your card company to do the fight for you by getting a chargeback, not least for the non-provision of services but also breach of contract and plainly fraudulent practices with duff addresses and promises as you’ve said. Check out the Chris Malta video: Here he plainly tells you what to do. I’m surprised that your card company told you not to cancel the card as usually that’s the first thing they do! When you speak to them, insist that you’ve been defrauded. As soon as they get onto it, you should get your money back. If the card company says that the T&Cs are plainly visible (many scammers have started doing this under pressure), then your obvious riposte is that the scammer has broken his clear T&Cs -- hopefully, you won’t need to argue much about this point, but give clear dates/times about the various letters and calls you’ve made. I see you have a UK ISP, @lee. let me know how you get on-and good luck. Don’t take NO for an answer and don’t slam the phone down until you get proper service. That’s what they want as another day has passed… BTW. Who did you file fraud complaints with in the UK & USA? Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

25. Monavie, Gillmap, Idaho Falls, Google Treasure Chest and Oprah | Strangely Perfect on September 19th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    [...] June, a contributor to this website @Not Kevin made a telling entry here (http://strangelyperfect.tv/4308/google-revolution-different-name-same-scam/#comment-1589) that has direct prescient relevance to the court case in the USA that Oprah Winfrey has heaped [...] Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

26. Digging deeper into hidden negative option scams on September 20th, 2009 at 10:46 am

    [...] Not Kevin's informaton at StrangelyPerfect.tv  showing many negative option scams set up companies in the UK (details here) [...] Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

27. Digging deeper into hidden negative option scams | Free Work Now on September 21st, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    [...] Not Kevin’s informaton at StrangelyPerfect.tv  showing many negative option scams set up companies in the UK (details here) [...] Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

28. Not Kevin on September 29th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    3 seperate scams all linked to County Durham! Way back in June I posted that “Steve Comer has been busy registering more domains and setting up websites with links to newly created UK Ltd companies in County Durham: This time itâ��s 24 Lumley Drive Delves Lane, County Durham Consett DH8 7OS: The address of : WESTMOOR TRADING LTD STALLWART SYSTEMS LIMITED Home of: # Web Money Maker Site Stallwart Systems 24 Lumley Drive Delves Lane, County Durham Consett DH8 7OS United Kindom 1-877-300-5225. webmoneymakersite.com/ # Easy Online Improving Stallwart Systems 24 Lumley Drive Delves Lane, County Durham Consett DH8 7OS United Kindom 1-877-300-5661. easyonlineimproving.com/ # Internet Real Leader Stallwart Systems 24 Lumley Drive Delves Lane, County Durham Consett DH8 7OS United Kindom 1-877-300-5658. internetrealleader.com/ # Online Guru Now Stallwart Systems 24 Lumley Drive Delves Lane, County Durham Consett DH8 7OS United Kindom 1-877-300-5659. onlinegurunow.com/ # The Web Money Maker Stallwart Systems 24 Lumley Drive Delves Lane, County Durham Consett DH8 7OS United Kindom 1-877-300-5651. thewebmoneymaker.com/ All the above domains registered to: Steve Comer 831 East 340 South American Fork, Utah 84003 United States” Well I just came across that Lumley Drive address again – this time on the emillionaire.com website – the home of a previous scam run by a fella called Brock Felt in Florida: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=brock+felt+emillionaire&aq=f&oq=&aqi= http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/base/thread?tid=731ed5d8320c6794&hl=en Now as far as I know Brock Felt down in his Florida swamp has/had no connection with Mr Comer way up in Utah. However the emillionnaire.com website (and terms page) now give the address as: *Online Business Transactions Ltd* 24 Lumley Drive Delves Lane, County Durham Consett DH8 7OS United Kingdom 800-309-6980 (For the past year it has been a Florida address). Perhaps word is getting out amongst the scammer community that a small village in County Durham is THE place to have your HQ! That exact same address is listed as the address of isocialmedia – some get rich quick with twitter and facebook nonsense: http://www.scamtimes.com/headline/social-media-scams-facebook-twitter/ http://www.google.com/search?q=24+Lumley+Drive+Delves+Lane,+County+Durham+Consett+DH8+7OS&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&filter=0 Another Durham address appears to be linked to various dubious ‘health products’ colon cleanse etc: http://www.google.com/search?q=65+Chaytor+Road+Bridgehill%2C+County+Durham+Consett+DH8+8QH&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a So that means Mr ‘emillionaire’ Felt in Florida, Mr Steve Comer in Utah and Mr J Willms in Canada ALL have connections to addresses in County Durham. Meanwhile our friend Jesse Willms has decided to change his product name from Dazzlewhite to Dazzle Smile and his company name from Gillmap Limited (in County Durham) to Farend Services Limited (in North Cyprus) Farend Services Limited 3 Athinodorou Street, 2025 Dasoupoli, Strovolos, Nicosia, Cyprus dazzlesmilepro.com/contactus.php Nicosia and County Durham – the scam hotspots of Europe! Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

    • Strangely on September 29th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

      @Not Kevin. Not only this: Perhaps word is getting out amongst the scammer community that a small village in County Durham is THE place to have your HQ! …but this: http://strangelyperfect.tv/6150/co-durham-and-utah-weirder-than-i-imagined/ Shildon in Co Durham is 2nd tops for credit card fraud in the UK!! Over 1 in 4 transactions are bad from this village of ~10k persons! County Durham again! On top of your Gillmap etc research, it turns out that not only is Jesse Willms blessed with a suicidal tendency by taking on one of the world’s biggest companies (Microsoft), and losing, but he’s now in the Acai & Dazzle Dents charge sheet from one of the world’s wealthiest and certainly most powerful women (Oprah Winfrey), or at least Dazzle ****something random**** is. I think (or certainly hope) that even Cyrus isn’t Farend enough (pun intended) for Oprah’s legal tentacles. (see my take on it here: http://strangelyperfect.tv/6305/monavie-gillmap-idaho-falls-google-treasure-chest-and-oprah/) I’m pretty sure that old Steve Comer’s place in Utah was on the Oprah charge sheet as well, although I haven’t taken the time to follow through all the addresses (there were over 50 companies & individuals named – and rising!). Even if it wasn’t him, it was just down the road, and we know what that means from studying the Utah maps and genealogy trees…. But as you say, they ARE all connected. I think there’s only one degree of separation between this lot now, not even two. Surely, by now, it must be a piece of cake to wheel this lot off to the Huntsville Sodomy Tree? Oprah’s charges relate to the individuals operating the scams as well as the companies – so it’s no good changing the company names Willms… Her lawyers have carefully crafted the charge to read something like “persons A & B, owning or controlling the interests of company C on a date round about ‘this date’ as shown in the offending screen-shot (see screenshot).” It means that name changes won’t do and I suspect they have a wodge of proof that the scammers were very tightly tied to the operations. Maybe even Nicosia isn’t that safe now to stash away some ill-gotten gains? Turkey still wants to join the EU, it’s a key NATO member and it uses the Euro in general circulation. With the recent money-laundering efforts by international co-operation following the banking collapses, I suspect conditions will be placed on entry that could include opening up dodgy Stavros hideaways? Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

29. Dangerous EffectiveCleanse – and Scams Too! | Strangely Perfect on October 21st, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    [...] first page is sometimes loaded with “White Teeth” ads, from you know who(see here and here for instance), which are accessed via a false newspaper ad containing the key(yukky)word [...] Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

30. Paul on November 6th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Was brought here researching a domain – can’t remember what it was now. But looking at the related sites I’m guessing the content on many of them is not very different to the site below. site:www.eauctionathome.com on google give away the user/password access, actually most of the member area content as well. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

    • Strangely on November 6th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

      @Paul OH NO! I wish you hadn’t have done that. I thought I was shot of: “Hi. My name is Michael Green” !!! You’re not wrong though. This site pops up a lot in relation to the grants scams. I had two postings that sort-of pick this up that contain a heap of references to other much-more-professional scam-busters than myself. See http://strangelyperfect.tv/4431/ebay-success-system-blatant-lie/ http://strangelyperfect.tv/3533/robert-g-allen-grants-and-a-credit-card-slimeball/ Look for “Michael Green” if you can’t find eauctionathome directly. eauctionathome T&C pull out on the old Cyprus connection again. Dear, dear. Now what could people in Cyprus POSSIBLY know about US grants or auctions? Hmmmm? A. Nothing. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

31. Not Kevin on December 17th, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    Same scam, different name – looks like the prominent Google logos etc have been stripped from a lot of these scams – so Google payday (or whatever) becomes Internet payday: https://www.internetrichesguru.com/v/703/default.aspx?s1=35840&s2=5715-findaffiliateoffers&s3=&clickid=12_88718031_1e9f41ea-bb81-4783-bf72-8a96a75717a5 Same scam, different name. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

    • Strangely on December 19th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

      @Not Kevin This appears to be run by a different outfit from any I’ve previouisly seen, and is just next to Burbank Airport in Cal-i-forn-i-a. I ran their pages through, and to be fair, all the crap terms etc, their contact details and even their limited time (3 month tops) contract are reasonably clear and consistent across the various site pages. Granted, their web pages still use old php code with Google in the name, and they may still be crap at refunds or cancellations when asked and their actual contactability may end up being suspect when it’s tested…. But at first glance, to me, the amount of hidden stuff is very much reduced compared to the old Google Treasure Chest type of stuff. Now lets see if consumers have had any trouble with them so far?…..hmmmm. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

32. Strangely on December 21st, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

33. Strangely on February 5th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Interesting info here from the founder of the easyDNS website’s blog. http://www.privateworld.com/plugin/articlepdf_234 It details how a major investor has pulled their shares from Pacific WebWorks. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

34. Strangely on February 11th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    http://www.ripoffreport.com/questionable-activities/performance-products/performance-products-googlecas-e46b2.htm This link points to someone who has fallen into the same trap(s) with an Utah business (again) at; 51 West Center St, Orem Utah 84058, … with multiple “offers” being anonymously signed up for, followed by obstructive and lying customer service etc. This was yesterday, 10 Feb 2010, months after the FTC ordered closedowns on the related companies…. One “offer” was for a permutation on our old Google Treasure/Money/Cash Chest/Tree/Collector nemesis, this time called … “Google Cash Center” And now, check out this complaint from June 2009. http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/blazing-keywords-a-1-google-chest-c208392.html The address is at the bottom and is…. 51 West Center St, Orem Utah 84058 The same! And what’s more, the complaint is about Blazing Keywords / A-1 Google Chest which is not far removed from “Google Cash Center” is it? Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

35. Not Kevin on February 12th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Note the long list of “corporations” (all sharing that same address) listed in the first comment on the complaintsboard link – quite a list there and it includes some familiar names: GOOG-MONEY-TREE LLC REGIS (Jan 09) 51 W CENTER ST OREM UT 84057-4605 INCOME-TREASURE1 LLC AGENT (Jan 09) 51 W CENTER ST OREM UT 84057-4605 and MONEY-TREE-SUPPORT LLC REGIS (Jan 09) 51 W CENTER ST OREM UT 84057-4605 Further evidence of how the Utah scammers just hop from one scam to another – acai, Google cash, colon cleanse, teeth whitening etc – is provided by this note in the BBB report on Smile Bright: “On July 30, 2009 the Utah Division of Consumer Protection entered into a Settlement Agreement with York Galland, Jennifer Galland, Adam Galland, Emily Galland, Patricia Terry, First Support Solutions, Performance Health USA LLC, Performance Products, Timpanogos Management LLC, AEG Partners LTD, YJG Partners LTD, B67 Nutra Pure Systems LLC (ResvPure), 37 Vital Health Systems (Pure Colon 1000), 456 Vital Health Systems LLC (ResvPro), T89 Wie Vita Systems LLC (Denta White), 96 Vital Health Systems (Pure Açai Berry), 96 Pure Nature Products (Maqui Berry Burn), Pomegranate Weight Loss, 405 Natural Health Systems (Smile Brite), U22 Wie Natural Products (Açai Fire), 456 Vital Health Systems (Pure Cleanse), Endless Momentum (Açai VAS), Your Google Income, Fast Google Income, Madness Instant Money, Money Genetor LLC and Health Results (“Respondents”). http://www.bbb.org/utah/business-reviews/scientifically-unproven-health-and-medical-product-providers/smile-bright-in-orem-ut-22240671 Yes a multitude of scams [everything from "Fast Google Income" to "Pomegranate Weight Loss" to the usual suspects of Acai, colon cleansing etc] – all linked to the same outfit / group of people / companies. Note the paltry $30k fine – the scammers probably rake in more than that in one day. Not much evidence of “consumer protection” there. Clearly a family affair too with all the Galland’s: “York Galland, Jennifer Galland, Adam Galland, Emily Galland”. Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply

    • Strangely on February 12th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

      @Not Kevin. Yup. 30k is paltry. On your bbb link, the third company listed after the individuals is “Performance Products”, which is exactly the company that swindled the complainant in the Ripoff Report link from two days ago, 10 Feb 2010. So six months on, same old thing. People get swindled and robbed by the same old people in the same old manner – and nothing happens. In this case, they are not even “hopping from one scam to another”, as you said…. It’s exactly the same!!!! So someone now has to go to the bother of raising more lawsuits to get some paltry fine, during which time the Gallands et al will have raked it all in and stuffed their ill-gotten gains abroad. It does make you wonder if they have any law in what was the “Wild West”? Why don’t they just string’em like they did in the old days? Like or Dislike: 0  0 Reply