Comments on: ScamVictimHelp.com, Poacher turned Gamekeeper?

By: Strangely

Strangely — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:37:56 +0000

You can't keep'em down, I'll give them that!! Could this be it being made?

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/sv?cbp=12,268.74,,0,5&cbll=37.116742,-113.596870&v=1&panoid=FZqIZlbWwuB1diQp6wG0xA&gl=uk&hl="> id="cbembedlink" href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?cbp=12,268.74,,0,5&cbll=37.116742,-113.596870&ll=37.116742,-113.596870&layer=c" style="color:#0000FF;text-align:left" rel="nofollow">View Larger Map

I see it's near a Subway. They're everywhere, like a virus.

By: Victim

Victim — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:13:03 +0000

Strangely, Re: Exec Car Sales… They also shared premises with Executive Service Center and Executive Suzuki. They are all closed. If you really want a photo, I'll get you one – may take a few days. The lot is now leased to a new business called Executive Auto Group – a seperate entity, some of the same owners. They are struggling – no cobwebs yet, but soon. The Vowells have also built a new office bldg next door at 491 N. Bluff, St George Utah, called Executive Plaza. It houses, among others, Executive Fitness, DBA Desert Palms Health & Fitness.

By: Strangely

Strangely — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:55:28 +0000

Thanks @Victim

You've prompted me to stick up some info as an update to the main post about the Vowells. The family resemblance is clear…

http://strangelyperfect.tv/wp-content/uploads/St.-George-RoadRunners_1257252421658-86×86.png" alt="Send in the Clones" width="86" height="86" />

The car sales website is still 'live' – but permanently down for maintenance! I'd like a picture of the cobweb-strewn place if anyone has one, just for proof, you understand.

By: Victim

Victim — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:20:17 +0000

Paul, you are correct, the owners are Vowell and his brother, Todd. Suspected scam artists in St George, UT. They are under investigation for fraud by the UT Attorney General. Exec Car Sales was put out of business by GMAC. The Vowells own and operate dozens of other dubious businesses. Try Utah Department of Commerce, Business Entity Search. The business name as filed is SCAMVICITIMHELP.COM LLC – Note the misspelling.

By: Strangely

Strangely — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:27:26 +0000

Thanks Robert.
As you said, the trick is that they don't (really) change their modus operandi. They shift and jive a bit, modify wording to try scraping under the legal limbo line, but all the time they are the same.
As you implied, this is their weakest link!
It's the same with any crooked operation on the internet – they always leave tracks and they always, absolutely always, leave a money trail – or else how else will they get money off folks? !!

I've added a comment to a salient point that I think you've made on one of your postings, something that I've never considered before. http://internetscams.midwestjournalpress.com/utah…
It's the burgeoning demographic change in internet usage, that's what. As you said, there are more and more elderly people getting online. They are used to standing up for their rights, and many fought in the big war to ensure we CAN argue for these rights. The internet is not just some geeky place for youngsters, buying naff stuff on a whim and then chucking it away. The elderly demographic appreciate quality and expect a service when a service is promised. They're not just rolling over and accepting the scammers words. After all, $79 is $79 is $79, isn't it?
At first, it's all new and confusing, but after a few months they realise it's just the same as the hard real world – only faster. They can then put their experience of their long lifetimes to good use, using the official channels and methods that they'd normally use – like persuasively arguing for charge-backs like Chris Malta recommends etc. or haranguing their democratic representatives.

Good comment!

By: Robert Worstell

Robert Worstell — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:21:02 +0000

Great sleuthing! There are ways to tackle these Utah scammers, since they seem to narrow down to a few individuals, despite all the companies they set up. The trick is that they don't really change their operations, and so can be ripe for picking.

Best approaches currently (in addition to reports to FTC, FBI and Utah A/G) are hitting the forums and getting all those scammed to set up their own personal blogs.

Thanks to all who have helped find out who this mlwood scammer is.

Saundrak wan't amused about this character in his other incarnations, either.

By: Paul Schlegel

Paul Schlegel — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:43:50 +0000

DomainTools is definitely one of the most valuable tools I use.

By: Strangely

Strangely — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:38:05 +0000

I'd better cough up then and see what I can find. I know it's not too much.

I liked the 'muscle' comment. Nice one.

By: Paul Schlegel

Paul Schlegel — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:31:39 +0000

You can get most Whois History via the paid version of DomainTools, so if someone doesn't put on privacy protection immediately, you can typically get it.

Myself and Lynndel Edgington filed abuse reports with his hosting company and then were asked to file a copyright infringement form.

We also reported the site to Adsense.

It MAY have helped that Lynndel has an Assigned Federal Agent which he mentioned to bluehost.

By: Strangely

Strangely — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:22:10 +0000

Thanks Paul.
I dunno what happened with the 'help' bit. I must have gone blind for a bit. Anyway, it's fixed now and the real scamvictim.com seems to be dead at the moment.

The thing is that scamvictimhelp.com are invisible now to a cursory WHOIS. How did you get the data, historic or otherwise (please use the contact form if you don't wish it broadcast). I'm still on a continuous learning process for all things technical regarding the internet.

As for your information, I agree with you and assume there's a lot of reality tied up in the registrant's info. I've seen some people use the same address and then multiply register with lots of very similar names; like Lin, Lion, Linn, Lunn, Lund etc

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/sv?cbp=12,244.3,,0,5&cbll=37.117513,-113.597223&v=1&panoid=Og7KxO-cwlUdz_HOT2POUQ&gl=uk&hl="> id="cbembedlink" href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?cbp=12,244.3,,0,5&cbll=37.117513,-113.597223&ll=37.117513,-113.597223&layer=c" style="color:#0000FF;text-align:left" rel="nofollow">View Larger Map

The address is the same as the executivecarsales.com's domain registration (site currently down for maintenance) and it certainly looks like a car sales place in StreetView. Maybe Jason was a kosher car guy and then got sucked over to the dark side by someone up the hill so that he retrospectively felt the need to cover his tracks… I'm musing.
Initially, I did think it was a 'Double-Bluff' given the name and because like you, I treat all this info with a large grain of salt. But it really does look like more of the same output I'm getting al-mightily sick of seeing emanating from Utah which has to be the sunniest pot of devilment on the planet.
Florida is second. How are you getting 'Jon McCourt' to stop? It's a straight scrape-off of your work but you're not Oprah with pots of money, he may stop anyway…, so I really feel for you. See http://whois.domaintools.com/freeworknow.com“>whois freeworknow.com

By: Paul Schlegel

Paul Schlegel — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:36:31 +0000

Somehow I missed this post in my reader. You list scamvictim.com and scamvictimhelp.com, but I assume you mean scamvictimhelp.com. The registrant entered for that domain on March 23, 2009 was originally: Registrant: Jason Vowell 543 North Bluff St. St. George, Utah 84770 United States Domain Name: SCAMVICTIMHELP.COM Created on: 23-Mar-09 Expires on: 23-Mar-10 Last Updated on: 23-Mar-09 Administrative Contact: Vowell, Jason email hidden; JavaScript is required 543 North Bluff St. St. George, Utah 84770 United States (435) 656-2227 I tend not to assume that registrant information is accurate unless there's other corroborating evidence, as I've seen too many instances where that information is made up or using someone else's name (like the freeworknow.com site that I am working on stopping from stealing all my content). However, it seems highly likely that the information is correct as it would seem odd for someone to put privacy protection on if the previous information wasn't correct (although there would be a remote chance that they didn't want to get "caught" using someone else's data - doubtful, but a possibility).

By: Strangely

Strangely — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:56:56 +0000

Doing a Google search on the killer text "a combined work experience of 25 years in the " produces only a few results.

One of these is for this thread which started last April,

http://www.friendsinbusiness.com/board1/index.cgi/noframes/read/159238.

In this thread, they have a link to the Washington County Sheriff's office in SW UTAH ( https://news.washeriff.net/bookings/ ) which details all the local arrests, with pictures, in the previous 48 hours. I've missed it (obviously), but at one point they claim to have seen the owner of a scam victim help website who'd just been chucked in jail!

In this link, http://saundrak.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/hello-wo… Saundrak herself has provided some corroboratory evidence that this lot are an UTAH outfit, and also the 'recovery' figure of a 40% charge agrees with the other statements in the thread…

So it's looking a lot less like Poacher Turned Gamekeeper by the minute and more like Poacher Turned Tactics.