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Crawling Across Chaos and Time Without End
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Oct
21
2009
Dangerous EffectiveCleanse – and Scams Too! Posted on 08:39, October 21st, 2009 by StrangelyPreScript AdviceIf you think you’ve had your bank ‘cleaned out’ by any of a multitude of ‘life cleanse’ or ‘colon cleanse’ type internet scams, there is only one real remedy…
If the company fails on any of these two key points they have no excuse not to refund you. In fact, if they deliberately make contact difficult, it’s criminal. IntroductionDangerous Scammer Investigation
It turns out that the webmaster was using a piss-poor Californian host called byet.org. This host detected when an Amazon advert was going through and redirected it to the viper’s den called MyBookFace.net, taking a nice skim on the profits in the process (see my articles on the crippling con website here http://strangelyperfect.tv/5552/mybookface-crap/ and here http://strangelyperfect.tv/5612/mybookface-google-utah-and-nevis-scamboys-united/) MyBookFace.Net AgainThe redirect was still working on the user’s website (devoted to head and neck cancer, here). The key bit is to click on the head and then the Amazon Store link in the bottom right. Sure enough (today), you get taken to MyBookFace.net!!! It’s like the return of a boil on the bum for me. Now, depending on how you access this shit-hole, you’ll see various things. The first page is sometimes loaded with “White Teeth” ads, from you know who(see here and here for instance), which are accessed via a false newspaper ad containing the key(yukky)word “mom”. Sometimes it’s Mary Steadman — again! I’ve had two popups, several hours apart during my checks, that both claimed I was the lucky 1,000,00th visitor to the site and thus deserved a prize! This popup by-passes the pop-up blocker in IE8. Give it a go – you too can be the 1,000,000th visitor!!! If you allow further pop-ups, the fun really starts! More Fun With MyBookFace.Net Popups!
They both originated from the same place and had similar designs. The Acai one (at acaiberryexclusive.com) I left, because the Colon one has some VERY, VERY DANGEROUS CLAIMS in it. (The Acai ones were very similar, actually, but I’m trying to keep this post short-ish) EffectiveCleanse.comEffectiveCleanse.com loads with the strap line “Life Cleanse”. It’s contact address is in County Durham in the UK again! (just like all the UTAH scams). This time the address is:
A small hunt for this address produced several companies, all apparently squashed into someone’s living room only a mile or so from the UTAH scammers elsewhere in Co Durham! There are many unhappy folk about who’ve had dealings with companies at that address. Similarly for the company name itself... EffectiveCleanse Claims Effective Cleanse Antioxidant. Get Your Risk-Free Order Trial Now Everything is visible on the full-screen dump in the image here by clicking on it. Their claims would be laughable if they weren’t so dangerous. (In many respects, the claims are very similar to those of Monavie, currently being investigated by Vogel, Cyberxion, Food Tech of California and others on this entertaining post by LazyMan about the scurrilous Monavie here: http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comments)
Perhaps the funniest claim is that it will “Increase Focus and Energy”…. It’s a pity the author didn’t try and focus a bit harder. Because further down the page is the mind-numbing misspelt paragraph which reads (I kid ye not):
My spell-checker has gone berserk on that. I can’t believe that National Geographic actually printed that! And anyway, human waste in a healthy person is certainly not pathogenic. The bacteria in one’s gut DO NOT “feed on living flesh” as they claim. They are an essential part of living and without them, we’d all die. If they mean worms etc, then again, they do not feed on your flesh – they feed on your gut contents! They live on shit! Terms Disagree with Claims Effective Cleanse Antioxidant. Terms & Conditions Well it had to be somewhere, didn’t it? Despite all the criminally outrageous claims on their front page, their T&C actually states:
Fortunately, they have a UK contact number of 0044 20305 10825, which makes it a London number. Why not give them a call and see which bit is correct – does it cure, or doesn’t it? You’ll also see here, in small print, only once, that you’ll be charged £69 per month for 30 days supply. Except it’s written thus: “At the end of your 15 day trial period you will be charged GBP 69.” Of course, upon reading the consumer complaints listed at the bottom here, you’ll find that many people can’t get through on the phone. In that case, the information on their FAQ page to the question:
…should be taken with a large grain of salt. The answer they give is that making a false claim of fraud is a criminal offence. Er..no. It isn’t. All you are doing is to resolve a dispute over charges to your credit card that you consider erroneous. It’s not a criminal offence to dispute the bill!!!! This is what they say to frighten you, and it’s only to frighten you:
If you can’t contact them through the phone, as many have found to their cost, the above information is doubly bogus. On the other hand, the claims they make for the product on their main landing page, really are criminal. There is no way in hell that GSK et al would dare say anything like this. ConclusionAnyone who has read mine and other’s Google Treasure Chest, Acai, Government Grant and Teeth-Whitening investigations will suspect that there’s more to this business than County Durham alone. They hide their domain WHOIS for a start. Because of their secretive nature, their misleading and dangerous claims which are in plain contradiction of their T&Cs, and the ‘unreliability’ (and that’s being generous) of their customer service as evidenced by the many complaints, this bunch of clowns are much worse than a comedy act. Scammer or crook? I couldn’t possibly say, but fetch me a bargepole to poke them away. Tommy Cooper would say “Scam-Crook; Crook-Scam. Scam-Crook; Crook-Scam. Scam-Crook; Crook-Scam.” I’ll finish now, using words taken directly from their webpage by saying :
(Mostly in Utah, from my experience, but not exclusively in the US.) Extra Links(Just a few of the many complaints about this lot):
Imprint of www.acaiberryexclusive.com LB Cassiopeia Media Limited LB Cassiopeia Media Limited 118 Fines Park Annfield Plain Stanley Co Durham DH9 8QZ Tel: United Kingdom +38 616 004 917 Imprint of www.effectivecleanse.com LB Eridanus Entertainment Limited 57 Langden Close Templetown Consett Co Durham DH8 7NG Tel: United Kingdom +39 064 523 0442 Postscript (30/10/2009)As with the Google Treasure Chest/Money Tree (Kit) bollox, because I’ve posted about the colon parasite scammers, this website is now attracting Google adverts from those very scammers. I use advertising to help fund the costs, my payments in a round-a-bout way coming from the scammers! I couldn’t possibly comment any further except to point you to my privacy policy page. Amazon Related:
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It all started with a ping to my website from the Drupal Forums (see 
During one session, using the ‘Private Browsing’ feature in Firefox, I got the Mary Steadman fake newspaper ad again – wahay!. In this were two adverts; for Acai and Colon Cleansing.
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UltraCleanse Plus:
This is another website in the same line of business. This one is contactable via a triplet of US, Australian & UK phone numbers, and at an address in Nicosia Cyprus – again!! Here they are:
888-591-2190
0-808-120-7619
1-800-883-581
“World headquarters” , no less is at:
Farend Services Ltd.
3 Athinodorou Street,
2025 Dasoupoli,
Strovolos,
Nicosia,
Cyprus
This is the same address listed in the Google Profit Scams and other assorted ripoffs. Just do a Google search to see what I mean.
What is particularly bad about this website is the video which has hijacked an informative discussion about colon cancer into their hideous shit-inducing product. As it fires up you get the re-assuring voice of Morgan Freeman….
Of course, nowhere do they (or Morgan or anyone else for that matter) actually SAY that eating these pills will stop colon cancer. But the subliminal connection is absolutely clear.
Finally, check out the picture, taken straight from their website for possibly the worst before and after shots you are likely to see!
The pictures are hosted at Limelight Networks in Arizona (http://whois.domaintools.com/llnwd.net). Of course, if you want to discover where UltraCleanse is really located, you can’t, because they’ve hidden their ownership as is the usual practice for scum like them. See http://whois.domaintools.com/ultracleanseplus.com
Conclusion
It seems like the focus of the scammers’ attention has shifted from Adsense, to Acai, to Money Trees, to Grant scams and now to Arse Cleansing wrapped around Cancer fears.
There are more and more of these sites popping up now (even though these ones have been going a while).
I look forward to seeing how many name permutations they can get using the words cleanse and colon…?
NOT.
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Interesting article on techcrunch today which gives an ‘insiders view’ on scam and spam – the comments are worth reading too:
How To Spam Facebook Like A Pro: An Insider’s Confession
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/01/how-to-spam-facebook-like-a-pro-an-insiders-confession/
Note the quote “trickery is profitable. Fool them into thinking the new friend request is from Facebook, lie to them that the miracle skin crème is actually free, tell them they’ll earn points if they just click this button – which then puts their email address on a list that’s resold to the top spammers in the world.” “Incidentally, if you hate someone, sign them up for one of those free offers – it will burn their email to a crisp. ”
Confirmation that scam feeds spam.
Nice ‘friends’ he has too:
“And how about those advertisers who were making over $100,000 a day selling Acai Berry and other weight loss products – they are friends of mine, pioneers of new advertising channels.”
In the comments he said he stopped scamming because it was not as profitable and has more risk now. Not because of ethics or morals!
Talking about alternative views: a post here from someone working at a credit card company:
“an insight from the card companies side and how I/we have been dealing with these payments as they are a F***ing nightmare.”
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=26520687&postcount=95
And here is someone who “used to work for Nutri blvd’s customer service dpt for a couple weeks before I could no longer put up with this slimeball comp(any).”
http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=828695&postcount=200
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Very interesting @Not Kevin.
I read another credit card company employee saying more or less the same thing – I wish I could remember where it was (note to self: always make notes of interesting things; you’ll never remember them like you think you can…) What’s important is that they say that the scammer never challenges the chargebacks. They are also saying that the card companies’ all revert back to mcard/visa rules – which is wrong.
The last I heard, we make our laws here using our elected representatives, NOT some US-based finance companies. So the Sale of Goods Act and all the rest all take precedence.
Of course, anyone who makes the mistake of buying from the shifting sands that are the businesses we’ve looked at over the months, should realise that they haven’t a leg to stand on, apart from insisting that the Card Company does it’s bit.
The Facebook ads are still going on. I’m not a ‘Facebook person’ – I only have an account to nab the particular name for myself; however, every time I do visit (and it’s usually to follow through links on internet pond-life), I nearly always get presented with a Dazzlewhite ad, camouflaged in it’s new morph, natch.
Question: Am I being picked on? Ha ha.
As for the Resveratrol rep… as I recall when Eborn’s company had a bit of a stop and all the salesforce got laid off in Utah, some (but not many) of the former employees were expressing exactly the same sentiments. I suppose it’s the ‘any job is better than no job’ thing, but at least they feel bad about it.
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@Not Kevin
Another join in the scam-spam relationship is now revealed I think. I didn’t click it all some months back when I was delving, but start at this comment on another post from @Victim…
The link is the $19million business called intelligentmarketing.com of California that hooks straight back to Utah and a company promising to help people who fall victims to…scammers! You can’t make it up, can you? It’s genius!
I’m not 100%, but maybe a bit more poking using your extra-business-pokery that you are good at could help? !! ;-)
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Interesting blog post by Paul [workathometruth] about Dennis Yu’s techcrunch facebook article linked to above:
http://www.workathometruth.com/blog/2009/11/15/blitzlocal-ceo-explains-how-to-trick-people/
Also a great reply from Paul to Dennis Yu when he posted in the comments section.
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Ha yes.
I never know what Paul is on about half the time as his experience is vast in these matters. Same goes for the scammers (sorry, on-line marketeers), former or otherwise when they prattle on about their dealings. I checked out the original TechCrunch article when you put a link to it and must say that I agreed with Paul’s newly expressed sentiments.
http://strangelyperfect.tv/6568/dangerous-effectivecleanse-and-scams-too/#comment-1942
Yu’s words just didn’t seem right to me, even though my understanding of the terms is limited, I can usually tell when stuff is either being deliberately omitted to fulfil the “tell no lies” criterion, or when the truth is wrapped up with perfumed aspic.
I’ll watch how this goes with interest, especially considering the later exchanges between Wu & Paul.
See orig. article here:
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/01/how-to-spam-facebook-like-a-pro-an-insiders-confession/
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Who ever thought that revenge could be sweet and smelly? Scamming the Colon Cleansing Scammers .
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Thanks for that @Gratis Cat
I read your whole article and really, IMHO, it does NOT belong under the classification of “Prank” that the website Zug is devoted to..
No! This is real proper investigative journalism you’ve got there matey!
I loved your clarification of the term “Customer Delight Manager” and your notion that Fox News is somehow crap… A kindred spirit indeed. I’ve put your YouTube video below. The audio call to the Returns Dept. is a bit hard to hear, but your transcription of it later on in your posting is a delight to read!
Thanks John!
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This is another comment on a long-running post from a SPORTS WEBSITE. It was initially placed as an afterthought by the sports writer after a family member got conned.
Initially, it started as an Oprah related scam for acai stuff, but of course, to show how intimately the scams are entwined, it also encompasses grants AND NOW, Colon Cleansing!!!
A slightly earlier comment in the same thread also has a link to this website:
…which clearly demonstrates this as it’s flogging the two together!
What the commenter, (A. Peralta), found was that in trying to cancel the order, the scammer would do anything to try and hang onto the money; first only offering 50% and then 85%. They said the 15% left was for “restocking”….?
This is really grim in that not only is it still going on, but that the shysters are getting more shystery again.
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And yet another comment at “Midwest Sports Fans” from someone who’s had her bank raided by a multitude of un-asked-for 3rd party business ‘deals’…
After a lull during September – October, the frequency of this type of complaint is increasing in all the major scam-complaint/expose websites and elsewhere.
What happens is that a person signs up for one product, has difficulty in cancelling the order, and then even if they Do cancel, they find that they’ve been secretly ‘enrolled’ into another sucky ‘program’.
Pure, unadulterated, scam behaviour.
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Secretly enrolled indeed. Here is what someone got charged (with the name of the charge and the date) after signing up for a ‘free trial’ of dazzle white. [It's from a post on complaintsboard.com]
9/8 Varimi $4.95 1-866-797-7348
9/9 Healthy Days $3.76 1-866-813-2894
9/14 wellbhealth $48.92 1 866-796-7336
9/21 Healhty Days $92.37 1-866-813-2894
9/29 Pristine Health $79.28 1-866-676-4122
10/6 Ultifreshwell $79.28 1-866-948-5508
10/7 Great Health $92.37 no number
10/9 Denta $9.46 1-877-804-3472
10/13 accesscleans $48.92 1-866-847-7649
9 seperate charges in just over a month!
Speaking of dazzlewhite – they changed their name to dazzle smile and then to celeb whites then to shimmering whites and now they are called premium white pro [premiumwhitepro.com]
Kind of the opposite of what an ethical company would do – create a brand and spend lots of money on brand awareness to promote it. Here they create a brand – complaints flood in so they just change the brand name and keep repeating the process!
You do have to wonder what planet Jesse Willms is on with the statements on his various blogs!
eg:
“Just Think Media has carved out its own niche in the supplement and information product industries. While these industries are often associated with somewhat shady business practices, Just Think Media, under my leadership, is bucking the trend.”
From:jessewillms.com
“Jesse Willms – one of the leaders in the diet and beauty industries – wants to warn you about diet scams! He is tired of all of all the rip-off artists that prey on the hopes and dreams of normal Americans who just want to look and feel better!
Jesse is frustrated, because he is one of the only people in the industry who is NOT running a scam operation.”
From:jessewillmsscams.com
“I’m not looking for short term cash, I’m looking for long term profits.
Those type of profits only come from building your reputation so that you create repeat business and the best way to build your reputation is to always offer high quality goods and services.”
From:jessewillmsquality.com
“Be particularly careful about claims rip-off artists make about the Acai berry. This is what to watch out for:
2. Any company that claims their product has been endorsed by Oprah Winfrey or any other celebrity.
From:jessewillmsscams.com
Er, hang on – isn’t HIS company being sued by Oprah for just that reason?
And check out this post from the Oprah forums in January 2008:
“I was wondering if anyone else was scammed by this guy, Jesse Willms. He had Oprah’s picture and her story of endorsement all over his website until recently.”
http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/15484
Or this:
Wu-YiSource.com (formerly wulongsource.com, also operating websites at oprahsdietsecret.com, myeasyweightlosstea.com, wu-yitea.free-trialoffers.com, and possibly others) is owned and operated by a man named Jesse Willms (he sometimes spells it Jesse Williams).
From: http://www.wulongforlife.com/jesse-willms.html
Seems to be a case of do as I say and not as I do with Mr Willms!
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Ha Ha.
Well I guess it had to come. We’ve had them promoting their products by adwording themselves with the word “scam” to the top of the Google search and YouTube video piles, but I never expected them to be so blantantly fibbing in a “standard” website thing!
It’s propably Jesse’s excuse for when he’s hauled up before the judge again (what was the fine last time, a million or something?). He’ll say,
“But look! Listen! See my websites where I say this is REALLY bad? Therefore, I couldn’t POSSIBLY be doing any wrong whatsoever because I wrote all those nice things, could I?” [Jesse gets sweet look on his face at this point. Butter in mouth refuses to melt. Earth stops rotating for a bit as hell freezes over.]
Judge then goes,
“Of course Jesse. All these nasty website people – and Oprah! All saying nasty, horrid things about you. What utter beasts! Now you go home with this nice bag of candy-floss and I’ll make everything alright for you. Okay?” [just at this moment a WHOLE FLOCK of Flying Pigs whizz past the courtroom window and the immense draught from their pink wings and jetpacks wakes up the Judge who'd had a bit too much lunch. He then puts his little black hat on....]
Ah. If only, just.
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Acai berry in durham DH9 8QZ UK is a big fraud whotakes your credit card details and deduct any amount they want I have charged $500 and havent recd any medicines.
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And here’s another person that’s just been diddled out of $1000 since August by the escalating number of side ‘offers’ that are neither asked for nor notification given that the mark will get charged:
And just in, this person has been diddled out of over $4000… jeesh!
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[...] It’s actually a male-focussed advert related to the female-oriented websites I mentioned here. It has the now-usual “as featured on ABC, CNN” etc with exaggerated claims about [...]
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This video on the BBC bring new meaning to the words,
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hey strangely, just wanted to say that anyone with half a brian wont fall for this shit, these people who buy this junk are the same telemarketing mooches who buy shit from the same scammers every week, dumb ass redneck god fearin’ americans who love to blow money on junk then whine and cry when they get burnt.
love the blog btw, free trials for all! on me!!!
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yeah whatever….
The trouble is that you’re plain wrong. If you read through the comments you’ll find many people who readily admit that they “should’ve known better” and yet were still sucked into the net.
I guess you’ve never made any mistakes in your life?
And if a thief mugs you, I suppose it’s your own fault? That’s your reasoning, isn’t it?
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The latest United Kingdom initiative to combat scams and scammers like these ones is from HM Government called:
The full details are here:
http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/scamnesty
Personally, there are no details of how much money and resources are being chucked at the problem, so I’m unclear of how effective it will be. My guess is that it will be like the USA’s Better Business Bureau (BBB), which is a toothless whinge-shop serving only as a place for consumers to vent their anger.
The real teeth lie in law, of course, and in the USA the FTC, the FBI and a host of AGs see to that.
Handily, and just like the Google Treasure Chest and successive scam websites, the “Scamnesty” has a countdown timer to let you know how long is left to run!!
And here it is:
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Also seen a variation of this scam, by the same company but now under the name of LB CyberNet Entertainment Ltd, online at http://www.absoluteacaiberry.com and http://www.effectivecleanse.com, with addresses listed at Suite G7, West Wing, Prospect Business Park, Leadgate, Consett, County Durham, DH8 7PW, UK and also Rivington House, 82 Great Eastern Street, London, EC2A 3JF, UK and giving contact numbers 080 8238 9891, or (+44) 2031399027. (Am putting full details in the hope of google picking them up, for anyone sensible who does a precautionary search before paying anything!)
The really neat variation is this site:
http://www.weeklyhealthnews.org.uk/latest/helencohen/dietbreakthrough/u2/index.php
It LOOKS like it is a health news website, but the links for the other news sections go to metro.co.uk. Again there is a graphic suggesting that it has been certified by lots of media orgs. It’s written as if it is an objective report by a journalist who gets steadily more evangelical about the product. But down at the bottom is the bizarre notice “This webpage is an advertisement. This page is a fictious demonstration of what an individual who uses the advertised products could potentially experience.” Despite the gushing praise earlier on that “In conclusion, if you are a little doubtful about the effects of this diet, you need to try it for yourself; from our own test, the results are real” Truly absurd! Can anyone identify the (presumably real) journalist whose photograph is being used as the fictional “Helen Cohen”? I suspect that she has a valid legal case for the misuse of her image in this way!
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Thanks HeadsUp.
We’ve found that most images are stock images and are widely available on the web e.g. Kevin Hoeffer etc!! in my original Google Treasure Chest investigations.
However, in this case, I recognise the image as a French TV Newsreader (Melissa Theuriau) who has been voted as one of the most beautiful women in the world. So really, if she decides to sue, she will win as I imagine she’s very careful about her public persona….!
This is her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30v_g83VHK4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9lissa_Theuriau
Leadgate and the London address pop up quite frequently in our research as well – quite often they are just plain council type semi-detached houses but no-one has actually got round to knocking on their front doors yet!!
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@HeadsUp
Many links and info to this variation are on page 16 of this consumer website.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?p=29212579
Also, advice on what to do…!
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@HeadsUp – interestingly the links from weeklyhealthnews.org.uk redirect to the acai scam site via azjmp.com which means it is an affiiate tracking link for azoogle ads (aka Epic advertising):
http://www.google.co.uk/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&source=hp&q=azjmp
Azoogle ads/ Epc are being sued by the original holders of the dazzlesmile trademark as is Jesse Willms and Just Think Media. You can read all about their alleged deliberately deceptive marketing tactics in the lawsuit document:
http://www.scamtimes.com/product-scams/dazzlesmile-files-lawsuit-media-epic-advertising-aka-azoogle/
http://www.dazzlesmile.com/epicadvertisingcomplaint.pdf
The Jesse Willms /Just Think Media dazzlesmile /dazzlewhite product also used an address in County Durham at one stage – even claiming it was their
“World Headquarters” [Gillmap Limited 9 Broomhill, Stanley, DH9 8AZ Durham]
WeeklyHealthNews.org.uk is registered to an address in China (yes these scams are multinational with Cyprus, Utah (USA), Canada and of course Durham all being particularly popular!)
Registrant:
DAJUN
Registrant type:
UK Individual
Registrant’s address:
35 Shaanxi Bei Lu
GD
Shenzhen
430221
China
http://whois.domaintools.com/weeklyhealthnews.org.uk
Hosted on the same server you will find Canadian and Australian versions: weeklyhealthcanada.com and weeklyhealthaus.com however their ownership details are hidden using WhoisGuard.
http://whois.domaintools.com/weeklyhealthaus.com
http://whois.domaintools.com/weeklyhealthcanada.com
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@Not Kevin
It just keeps coming around, doesn’t it? No amount of court cases stop the flow of crap. The link below is from 1st Feb 2010 – this year – and it’s a rework of Google Money Tree again, but with a different tree!
http://jointventurevideos.com/finding-jv-partners/make-money-online-with-google-money-tree
Lower down the ‘article’ in the ‘comments’ you’ll see a neat phrase, which is a new one for me, and demonstrates the ingenuity of these folks and how they just whack in a ‘cult of the moment’ to rework their old games. It is:
Funnily enough, youtube is owned by Google. I wonder how this will end, and how or if PWW is connected?
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Maybe the post on this blog by a affiliate of the CPA networks* explains the use of Cyprus and Durham addresses/companies (although not why those 2 locations in particular!)
“I spent three days at Affiliate Summit, and a fair amount of that time speaking with Transaction Processors about the situation. Their summation, be compliant and transparent, or face certain elimination. There were several companies there touting that they can get continuity campaigns back up and running as before. Some using European accounts”
From: http://www.jimlillig.com/?p=206
(*CPA affiliate networks are those ethically challenged affiliate networks who run the more dubious “offers” (most of which are deceptive at best and usually outright scams – Acai, Google Kits, teeth whitening, colon cleansing and all that sort of crap..). CPA stands for cost per action whereby the ‘merchant’ (scammer) pays a fee for each ‘lead’ (say $30 to $40 per trial sign-up), most of which goes to the affiliate as a “commission” as well as a fee to the middleman (the cpa network).
Look at almost any of the current online scams and behind the scammer is an army of cpa affiliates plastering the internet with their fake blogs/fake news sites to promote various dubious “offers” from aforementioned CPA networks.
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More info on Jesse Willms and handy teeth-whitening tips too!
In this excellent thread on complaints board, the poster gives neat instructions about how to whiten your teeth at home for about 0.001 cents! (If you really must do such a thing…)
There are a heap of ideas about what to do with poor old misunderstood Jesse as well!
See http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/celebrity-white-teeth-c310984.html
On top of this, I reproduce below a list of company names from the thread for everyone’s delight and information.
As Stephen, who produced this list says:
This was 3 days ago, so despite ABC News visiting his business, despite all the recent court cases, he still keeps ploughing his own disreputable furrow.
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That’s some list – one of the names on there is familiar (CONvert2Media) – back when all the Govt Grant scams started the trend which morphed into Google Kits, Acai, Teeth, etc etc this blogger [freegrantkitscams.com] did a good explanation of how these CPA affiliate networks (including CONvert2media) were/are instrumental in the advertising of these scams:
http://www.freegrantkitscams.com/2009/08/hydra-network-facilitates-grant-scams.html
http://www.freegrantkitscams.com/2009/08/convert2mediacom-supports-grant-scams.html
Here you can find a cpa affiliate admitting that “some of the offers were owned by scum bags who were ripping the consumers off. They were not letting them cancel their free trial, they were not putting the additional charges anywhere in the disclaimer, and in some cases, they were automatically signing people up to multiple offers at once” – his solution? Find the offers that hide the terms and conditions below the fold and promote those!!
http://blog.donandjeremy.com/cpa-conversions-starting-to-stink-here-is-a-likely-cause/
Erm – surely any company which hides information about ongoing charges where it is unlikely to be seen automatically falls into the “scum bags” “ripping the consumers off” category!!?
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@Not Kevin
I want to be a better salesperson! That D&J thing is a killer. I particularly like the phrase:
….which neatly summed up all the Kevin Hoeffer type offerings!
Check out D&J’s post comments as well. They even have what I would normally call a spam comment, from Leonard. The hyperlink points back to buildalistquickly.com and I had a few, exactly like this, in my websites’ spam filters a week or so back.
It has been a trend for some months now with some apparently innocuous, personal-sounding comment appearing in the comments. Of course it’s always back-links to what they innocuously call themselves; “internet marketers”….. I call them spiv racketeers.
This is similar to them when they say “business opportunity” and when I refer to it as “plain theft”
Tomato – Tomarto. What’s in a word?
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HeatherBirdLady really has it in for ol’ Jesse Willms and his crooked crew….
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/dazzle-white-c313958.html
She’s provided a pretty long list of his scum websites and a heap of things for people to do if they’ve been suckered by him!
In fact, HeatherBirdLady seems to be a one-woman tornado solely dedicated to smashing Jesse Willms and like-minded scum to bits! See:
http://www.complaintsboard.com/panel.php?action=profile&subaction=summary&type=complaints&id=215888
One good point she makes, and which I’ve noted before, is that several scammers actually advertise by using complaints on ComplaintsBoard!!
Finally, to show how this circle of scammy scumminess will never get washed down the plughole, in this post about Colocure from last month:
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/important-info-if-uve-ordered-illegal-business-practices-get-ur-money-back-c298615.html
…she pulls out an address that twigged my brain…
This harks back to my very first investigation into this sort of thing when I stumbled upon Google Treasure Chest (GTC)! See:
http://strangelyperfect.tv/3099/google-treasure-chest-its-a-scam-and-a-half/
In this post you’ll see that GTC was initially using this same Warren Av., Cheyenne address as it’s place of business.
Of course, we all now know that it was all stage managed by the creeps in charge of Pacific WebWorks (PWW), and that this Cheyenne address was either a mailing, or just a random address. This became clear in these two comments:
http://strangelyperfect.tv/3099/google-treasure-chest-its-a-scam-and-a-half/#comment-1012
…when Kamen said it was an agent address, and here:
http://strangelyperfect.tv/3099/google-treasure-chest-its-a-scam-and-a-half/#comment-1038
…when Holly got the run-around with non-existent phone numbers!
Well what goes around comes around, and from HeatherBirdLady we now find that all of 5 weeks ago the 2510 Warren Av., Cheyenne was back in business as a scammers’ address!
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Just Think – Improved Service!!!
Willms progresses by ignoring all complaints about his “business” and making a new website for his fancifully-named ‘business’!!
JustThinkMedia, since last October, have their business as justthinkincorporated.com
This gets more and more impressive – incorporated indeed!
Willms’ business now needs ANOTHER web designer, things are so good in the scamming world. See this job here which expires in two days time. I’d go for it if you want to be in a team in ‘a forward-thinking company committed to staying one step ahead of the competition law’ – as it almost says here… (justthinkincorporated.com/vision.html)
This is a screen-dump of the advert:
Now What About JustThink Incorporated:
What indeed?
It’s a very nice website. They have lovely offices with very nice glass and very nice brickwork. The toilets all probably work very nicely as well. The receptionist I’ve already seen her chuck journalists from the office! Oh Yeah!
There’s a neat bit, off to the right called:
Learning more, you’ll encounter the following gem in the huge page of pointless drivel; pointless because you know that from the last few years of Jesse Willms’ existence, he’ll say and do anything to make money and stay out of jail;
In actual fact, you’ll find that their prime method of minimising complaints - is to ignore them! So just as Willms ignores all court cases and law, he’s now got all his staff doing the same!
Proof:
Well the proof of the above is in the two videos that I’ve seen already when the receptionist (is she his mother, I wonder?) boots the ABC.TV team from the premises for investigating complaints and then slams the phone down on a New Zealand TV team doing the same. See links here (it’s a still from the video on the left):
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerindex?id=9318162
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/Canada/Edmonton/ID=1362286889
http://tvnz.co.nz/fair-go/whiter-than-white-2889431/video.xhtml
Other Proof:
Well it’s all the hundreds of complaints, the phoney phone numbers, the procrastination, the imaginary email addresses, the previous convictions for fraud and forgery….
That’s proof.
Minimise complaints?
It’s a case of:
See no complaints,
Hear no complaints,
Speak no complaints
Why Join JustThink Incorporated?
Why indeed? But you can find out here
…that they’ve had a glowing review from MarketLeverage.com who say:
Well they would do, wouldn’t they?
MarketLeverage’s phone number is 1-888-653-8372 as shown here, marketleverage.com/contact.php Now do a search on it and just look at all the shit on the Florida based outfit. Just look!
Here are a few examples from the copious list of complaints from Jesse Willms’ bedfellow.
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/healthsmile-vibrantbeautyeverbright-smile-20minutesmilescom-amp-ultifreshwell-c282623.html
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/premier-whitening-c281592.html
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-888-653-1524
These involve huge unauthorised credit card charges, cold-calling intimidatory law calls and disappearing customer service!
.-= Strangely´s last blog ..What? No Google! Use Robert Allen Instead! =-.
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Did a little googling on MarketLeverage and found this interesting thread – apparently the Florida Attorney General is interested to know which of Market Leverage’s affiliates promoted a teeth whitening scam called Everbright Smiles:
http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/83607-subpoenaed-attorney-general.html
Pweb gets a few mentions too.
In between the idiots there are actually some sensible comments – eg:
“That’s like saying you were refering buyers to a drug dealer, not actually selling it. Either way, you are part of the transaction.”
“It is called theft be deception using deceptive marketing tactics to push consumers to what are essentially frauds. It is a akin to driving a bank robber to the bank and then when you get caught, you say, “I’m not guilty. I just drove the damn car!”"
“So please don’t try to justify scam rebills… You can only admit your a scammer and continue doing it or you can accept the truth and not promote it.”
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@Not Kevin
This is exactly my angle!
In legal terms, it’s aiding and abetting a crime. It’s a well-known term and meaning across millenia of time and oceans of civilisations. That is:
Now what PWW have done with their wonderful website designer and templates, and their online credit handling and domain hosting services, is made all the tools and referral links necessary to make a huge web of deceit, a forest of lies and a lake of deception.
And each time a “sale” is made, they take their cut. Just like the Mafia.
I especially liked the comments that said,
“get yourself a lawyer” and
“Set aside money now $10-50k to pay any potential fines that may come”
This gives a good idea of the standpoint of lots of these people in the pyramid of con. (…sorry. Biz-ops and affiliates)
It shows that they’re well-prepared from previous experience, for the consequences and relative level of penalty.
.-= Strangely´s last blog ..The Hell of Incessant Suffering and the Land of Tranquil Light =-.
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Even more on Jesse Willms…
I got a Google Alert this morning about a Craigslist entry which says:
This is the link:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/zip/1616654191.html
Unfortunately, you’ll see that the post has been “flagged for removal”.
The irony is that Craigslist has been in the news for harbouring scamster ads etc.
But even more thought provoking:
.-= Strangely´s last blog ..What? No Google! Use Robert Allen Instead! =-.
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Just Think!
What a co-incidence….
Last year, it was @Not Kevin who informed me about the plethora of “blogs” that Jesse Willms had set up. Things like:
jessewillmsgaygossip.com
jessewillmswine.wordpress.com
jessewillmscalicocats.wordpress.com
etc.
These all appeared (and are still dated) at about the time that Oprah started her court case against him and his business. See this CBC video report:
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?rn=222561&cl=17176941&ch=
Following this, we had the laughable effort by ol’ Jesse neatly summed up in this website:
truthaboutjessewillms.com
Now, in January there appeared yet another website from good ol’ honest and truthful Jesse Willms.
From memory, I’m sure that the domain was filled with a few more pages than currently – but whatever – there are only two pages now. It’s here, a straightforward domain for Jesse:
jessewillms.com/
Reading the Jan 31 post, “Painted with the same brush”, Jesse laments that all the bad guys in the industry and the pathetically confused public are the source of his woes – in short;
It’s always someone else’s fault!
He states that it’s every sorry ripped-off consumer’s fault that they don’t read the conditions, and mysteriously get confused by the confusing websites (mostly invented by himself, let it be known!).
He states that it’s the industry’s fault for selling dodgy products whereas his are all top-notch. This means, he says, that his “good” stuff gets lumped in with all the “bad” stuff on the web.
And as for the media? !! Well of course, it’s all the journalist’s fault for looking for a “shocking” story, as he calls it…. Most right thinking people would of course call this a “fair investigation into consumer complaints”….
the trouble with ol’ Jesse’s journalist jibe is that those self-same journalists have given him ample opportunity to counter their claims – we have the videos!! See the link above and in earlier comments!
So what’s the co-incidence between Jesse Willms’ one-post websites and his court summons’?
My guess is that there’s another big court case on the way because I’ve seen the honest Jesse bleat last year just as Oprah struck, and now he’s bleating again!
I wonder if it’s anything to do with the “failed class action post” on Craig’s List that I mentioned the other day?
Hmmm?
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Jesse Willms does spout a lot of bollokio on his blogs doesn’t he!!?
The one where he wants to warn you about scams is priceless: [ jessewillmsscams.com ] as is the one where he appears to interview himself and claims that he is an “honest businessman” is good for a laugh too!
[ truthaboutjessewillms.com ]
(Note the identical design and ip location:
Canada – Alberta – Sherwood Park – Just Think Media)
http://whois.domaintools.com/truthaboutjessewillms.com
yougetsignal.com/tools/web-sites-on-web-server/
Found 24 domains hosted on the same web server as truthaboutjessewillms.com (174.143.21.128).
acaiburnsupport.com
creditreporthelpdesk.com
easywuyitea.com
fraudprotectionhelpdesk.com
fraudprotectionresources.com
freereportcheck.com
hottestcelebritydietsecret.com
idthefthelpdesk.com
insidersecretstips.com
jessewillms.com
jessewillmsscams.com
jtmnetwork.com
preventmyidtheft.com
successtracker.org
thinkdns.net
truthaboutjessewillms.com
weightlossebookmembership.com
wuyisource.com
insidersecretsguide.com
lisasweightlossblog.com
preventmyidtheft.com
quickcashsupport.com
weightlossresourcesmembership.com
worldclubfitness.com
Funny how some of those sites don’t seem to match his “ethical” claims on .jessewillmsscams.com – of not using celebrity endorsements or unproven claims etc…
He has also registered the telephone numbers associated with the various scams as domain names, eg:
1. 8669892690.com
2. 8669898946.com
3. 8669898949.com
4. 40 more…
http://www.domaintools.com/reverse-ip/?hostname=174.143.21.128
I remember seeing a Just Think Media work from home “offer” which came out just after the Google action against Pacific Webworks – the page had had all references to Google removed and proudly boasted that unlike some other less ethical websites we do not use the Google logo to imply that our offer is somehow approved by or linked to Google (I forgot to save a screenshot so am paraphrasing but words to that effect….) – yes how “ethical” of them – nothing to do with the PWEB legal action of course!!
But……….. hang on – in the comment by Mark A of Just Think Media made here: http://www.webcops.net/just_think_media_spam_scams_8001.html#comments and several times on complaintsboard.com one of the Just THink Media “products/offers” is listed simply as “Google”!! Rather self-incriminating I think!
866-989-8945� AcaiBurn
866-989-8946� PureCleanse
866-989-8947� ResV
866-989-8949� Wu-Yi
866-989-8950� Google
AND…. earlier last year they were using the domain makecashfastwithgoogle.com to promote a Google Kit scam: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=makecashfastwithgoogle.com&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
So if Google’s lawyers are still looking for those 50 “John Does” named in addition to Pacific Webworks they might want to take a look at Just Think Media (as well as Market Leverage, Convert2Media etc etc…)
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@Not Kevin
Neat list and IP sourcing!
I’ve noticed the overlap with PWW for some time now…. As for all the CleanWillms.com and SqueakyNiceCanadianEntrepreneur.com websites….? As I said before, ol’ Jesse Willms will say and do….
Like yourself, I too wish I’d taken a few more screen-dumps a while back. I use ScreenGrab, the Firefox plugin which makes it all a no-brainer, nowadays.
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@Not Kevin
http://www.webcops.net/just_think_media_spam_scams_8001.html#comments
This link that you mentioned is an old one from last summer. Right after it, Nolan P (one of the guys in the now famous Jesse Willms picture), claims to be a simple hired hand at the company and can see nothing wrong with it!!
This was part of a trend where scammers posing as employees would go round the forums apologising for “any misunderstanding” etc… they soon got shot down though, so it doesn’t happen so much now.
The original location for the snap (http://meetinnovators.com/adtech-new-york-cocktail/) has now had the photo removed with a later comment to re-instate it for a complainer’s class action lawsuit!!
However, this is it above!
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Ha! Ha! I guess Jesse Willms doesn’t want people to recognise him in the street or something – a Google image search turns up pictures of cats, trees, parrots and various people who are not him!
http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=jesse%20willms&oq=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
Might be a bit hard to be anonymous though when your picture was splashed all over the TV (ABC 20 20, CBC News etc).
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…well I’m just doing “my bit” to keep ol’ Jesse in the public eye…. We can’t have people forgetting his past history, can we?
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Meanwhile, back in the teeth-whitening and arse cleanout businesses of ol’ Jesse Willms, the Colorado AG, John Suthers, has him in his NUMBER TEN top worst offenders list, published on Monday, two days ago.
The best bit is the statement relating to another scam company which reads:
Obviously, if you feel ol’ Jesse has taken you for a ride, get on the Colorado AG’s list and wait for payday! The sums involved may very well be worth your while.
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Looks like Dazzle Smile is number two in the charts for most complaints so far (Jan, Feb) in 2010:
http://www.coloradoattorneygeneral.gov/press/news/2010/03/08/attorney_general_unveils_top_2009_consumer_complaints
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Interesting little article here about one ‘CPA affiliate network’ wanting to differentiate themselves from the scammier players in their industry and dumping 15,000 of their affiliates in an attempt to “set themselves apart from “ad networks peddling nutraceutical diet remedies, cash grant opportunities, tooth whiteners and other non-branded campaigns of low consumer value.””
“non-branded campaigns of low consumer value” – I guess that’s industry jargon speak for “scams” as the rest of us might call them :)
“Rebill offers provided many with massive returns for little effort, but have been followed by a matching contraction in the marketplace as the credit card companies and the FTC have clamped down.”
So this Hydra outfit was happy to make hay while the sun shone and rake in the cash from “no consumer value” campaigns (Google Money Tree anyone?):
http://www.freegrantkitscams.com/2009/08/hydra-network-facilitates-grant-scams.html
http://www.shoemoney.com/2008/12/26/google-money-tree-scam-hydra-affiliate-network/
… but now that things are looking a little shaky in the world of “non-branded campaigns of low consumer value” they have decided to take the ethical high road?? A bit like that facebook scam guy a few months back who was turning over a new leaf not because it was the right thing to do but because it was ‘more profitable’ for him to do so!!?
http://www.mthink.com/blog/chris-trayhorn/hydra-dumps-15000-affiliates
Perhaps ‘Hydra’ is a rather appropriate name for this company which has a grown a new ethical head overnight!
“Hydras are predatory animals belonging to the phylum Cnidaria and the class Hydrozoa” … “Biologists are especially interested in hydras due to their regenerative ability” :)
From: wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra_%28genus%29
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Low consumer value indeed!…
Like the old maestro Jesse Willms himself, they will do and say anything, A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G., to stay out of trouble while making a killing. Always remember that.
Also, the “hydra” analogy is more appropriate than you first point out…
In actual fact the creatures are named after the many-headed beast of Greek mythology, the Hydra, which has a constellation named after it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lernaean_Hydra
This is exactly the behaviour of these scamsters and their multitude of websites, all interlocked by means of their referral and cash transactional systems, but easily redundant and then re-created as needs arise.
Whimsical thought alert:
Your first link points out that Hydra runs,
This is presumably the operation that pops up all the time with an address in Pasig City…? Still no more info than before as it’s outside the bounds of civilisation…
But it’s an interesting point you make (and is made in the links also) about multi-million Hydra and it’s changing priorities….
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