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Facts and Lies: UKIP Checking

Nobody can be bothered to check facts.

UKIP, the Lernaean Hydra of British politics

UKIP Hydra
[credit: Jon Worth, please click image ]

For months I have endured a deluge of facts and lies, all leading up to yesterday’s election. (I voted Green – there were only European elections in my area, so no local stuff).  Mostly, it’s all been around UKIP.  They really have stoked the fires, first lit by this government that wasn’t elected and that has done a raft of nasty things never included in their 2010 manifestos.  But the fires against the disadvantaged are really aflame now.

It’s UKIP wot done it guv.  It’s Suzanne Evans talking – click here to pause her waffle.

Tactics

The Chubby Elite

UKIP’s backers are some of the sharpest, wealthiest people in the land.

UKIP’s tactics however, have been to take on all crackpots of all kinds, then, when the fuckwit says something beyond the pale, they evict them.

This has the effect of being news-worthy, and as we in entertainment know, all news is good news.  The normal triumvirate of red, blue and orange have had a few gobshite moments, but UKIP beats them hands down.

The litany of UKIP’s tactics is strewn across the web, but a fairly recent summary and discourse on them can be found on Another Angry Voice (AAV).

Fact Checks #1

As Tom at AAV noted in the link above, UKIP-ers are not fond of reading anything beyond the first few lines of anything and have a raft of weird ideas all   the stuff headed up and analysed with examples, summarised neatly here:

General abuse Confirmation Bias Denial of reality Just making stuff up
Conspiracies Meta-slander Persecution complexes Marxist fearmongering
Talking in absolutes This is a “Hate group” The Censorship fallacy Fascist sentiments
Straw-manning You called us racist Humourlessness Right, I’m definitely voting UKIP now!

It’s all very “lowest common denominator” (LCD) stuff.  Confirmation Bias rules, okay!

 Fact Checks #2

Though I despise UKIP and parties like them, I do try to check facts, from all over and presented by anyone.  Even those that I support get it wrong sometimes.  Question everything!

UKIP’s Suzanne Evans on Radio 4

I heard that Evans had been quoted as saying that UKIP ” had difficulty appealing to the educated, cultured and young” with regard to the voting in London.  It was on the BBC Radio 4 “Today” programme.  You can listen to the whole thing here for the next few days.  If you do a Google search for the phrase, “difficulty appealing to the “educated, cultured and young”” a whole raft of websites, news organisations, social media and news agregation websites are all reporting this very same thing.  The search produced >1000 – here are 3.

This Reddit chat is a notable exception to the broadcast-info-with-impunity-or-checks brigade and also has a link to the interview.  They say she never said it and provide a textual view of the interview.

She Never Said It!

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The trouble is, she never actually said it!  This is my recording of the show, editted down to Suzanne Evans’ interview and compressed for audio clarity before MP3-ing it.

 It’s True – She Never Said It!

Ukip members wait for results of local election in Croydon

So why are all the news sites and almost every Google search result saying that she did?  ( Well almost all – a Reddit chat also says that she never said it. )  The Independent report even has a nicely forlorn UKIP blokey.

In the interview, then interviewer actually says that it was a colleague in London  (not known, not named) who, she said, UKIP “had difficulty appealing to the educated, cultured and young”

 

 Conclusion

Either:

  1. The truth of the matter is that people hardly ever check anything nowadays.
    • The deluge of information is too great.
    • Everyone expects reputable news providers to do properly journalistic background checks.
    • The BBC interviewer never checked.
  2. The truth of the matter is that all news providers are in collusion with the establishment to maintain the neoliberal status quo.
    • The UKIP freaks who commented on AAV are correct in that it is a conspiracy.
    • UKIP freaks are right in that the BBC shows anti-UKIP left-wing bias.

The trouble with #2 is that UKIP contains part of the powerful establishment elite.

  • Farage is a former banker and apart from a host of wealthy backers, the normal tory paper (Daily Telegraph – torygraph in common parlance) is now swapping sides since the tories are not right-wing enough for it’s wealthy  owners, the reclusive, island-owning, tax-avoiding, feudalistic, Sark-criticising (because it won’t allow them to set up a tax haven),  Barclay Brothers.
  • Many other establishment papers likewise share a divisive, right wing, xenophobic stance.
  • The BBC has had rafts of governement enforced right wing management changes (government plants is the phrase).
  • The BBC has given more airtime to Farage than any other panellist on “Question Time” except for Dimbleby.

This leaves #1.

Answer:

Nobody can be bothered to check facts.

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Cannot Find British National Party (BNP) membership and contacts list? (April 2009 version)

Nasty Nick of the BNP

Nasty Nick of the BNP

There’s something weird about the recent ‘leak’ of BNP members’ names.  The list is available on the Wikileaks website here:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki

/British_National_Party_

membership_list_and_

other_information,_15_Apr_2009

There’s currently some trouble with downloading due to server overload.  Also, people are complaining that the file is a binary Excel workbook containing several worksheets.  It’s about 1.5Mb in size.  I’ve saved it as a standard Excel workbook which is 6.5Mb, quite a bit bigger, but friendlier.  If anyone wants it, drop me a line using the secure contact form in the top menu.  I haven’t the time to properly database it to get decent information from the data….(but see below for it’s veracity)

Nazi Nick in the National Front

Nazi Nick in the National Front

What’s weird is that the BNP claim it’s a fake list…!! (The last time this happened they were outraged at the leak ironically claiming loss of civil liberties, individual freedom and privacy, which is a bit rich coming  from the inheritors of the Nazi tradition.  A disgruntled Nazi was later fined £200 under data protection laws.)

Now I’m not sitting any BNP scum at the top of my ‘honest & honourable folk’ list, but suppose, just suppose that the Griffin with the twisted face is telling the truth.  Literally.  Just suppose that the list really is forged…

In that case, answer my favourite question when unlikely events happen and some reason needs apportioning, which is:

Q. Who Has Most to Gain?

A. The BNP!

It’s obvious really!   By this act they’ve amassed a whole heap of free publicity prior to the BBC’s Question Time show this week.  At times like this, there are no co-incidences.

It’s my guess that this is an example of the classic double-bluff.  George Smiley would be proud.

The BNP have amassed a list containing a few old member’s names and a heap of duds, then  posted it out onto Wikileaks themselves with the express purpose of self-promotion.

By this means, they’re trying to appear as the poor down-trodden underdogs, standing up for individual freedoms!

The technique is exactly the same as the Google Treasure Chest thieving scammers from UTAH who’ve posted online articles that purport to disclose the scammers and their operations but in actual fact, those same articles then try and flog more scam thievery!  (see Watch Out for the Scam Double-Bluff!)

A similar internet scam is the recent surge in fake anti-malware that actually installs the malware – and gets you to pay for the privilege!  (see Millions tricked by ‘scareware’)

It’s all the same – a double bluff!  Something disguised as something else!

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Lightweight Cameron

I saw the Tory leader, David Cameron’s speech yesterday and then later watched all the knowledgeable punditry give their opinions on such shows as “Question Time”, “Newsnight” and elsewhere.

After it all, I was suddenly reminded about Obama’s meeting with Cameron in December last year (2008), when, after noticing Cameron’s desire to denigrate everything European by building walls between ‘them’ and ‘us’ and his sycophantic attempts at UK-USA matey clubmanship, Obama remarked to an aide,

What a Lightweight (link)

It’s my guess that this astute observation will come to haunt Cameron in the years ahead, no matter how much entente cordiale is exchanged and oil poured on the waters.

Yesterday’s speech was actually Cameron’s golden moment – the one point that occurs in everyone’s life to rise above the morass of humanity and make a distinctive mark in history.  Most people fail, but trained politicians can usually make a good effort at the appropriate rousing rhetoric that appears to be “the moment”.  A turning point.  Or at least memorable!

They know how to do it, it’s their job and they’ve seen all the great speeches.  Cameron’s was not great and was not inspiring.  He has everything going for him currently with massive local election gains and a weak government in it’s final death throes….  But he blew it (and I’m glad!).

What a Lightweight

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Is Knife Crime London-o-centric, or the reporting of it?

Last week I arrived in Croydon to a week’s worth of knife deaths, convictions and escapes.  It seemed that the whole place was a blood-bath.  In examining them closely, some deaths were national news – and deservedly so, but mostly, there is no world outside of London for all the meeja types.

For instance, in the same week three people were knifed in the North-East that didn’t make the six o’clock news and the alarm levels are just as bad, so maybe my initial suspicions are right!  Like this example…..

A quote on last week’s “Question Time” made me jump.  Apparently the worst place in Britain for knifing is Glasgow, not some London Borough.  It’s twice as bad!

I was making this point to nice old lady from St Ives on the way home on the train – specifically relating to the high incidence of tornadoes and waterspouts (you had to be there) running up the Bristol Channel into Bridgwater and Somerset.  Having seen several myself, they are quite common, but never reported on the national news despite recent severe damage in Bridgwater and Burnham.  Jillian Greenwood’s poetry book “Western Tornadoes” is so titled for precisely these reasons.  This compares to the one in London last year.

Anyway, today, just to prove me wrong, the BBC and others are reporting “funnel clouds” in Lancashire.  There then followed a discussion about if they were tornadoes or not.  In my book, if they can suck Granny Clooties washing line into space then they’re tornadoes.  You see, if there is bad news, then London’s is worse!  They only want London to have the bad news.

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